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Originally posted by Calesta@Oct 10 2003, 12:25 PM
Well damn, 171whp on that setup is actually pretty nice. I'm sure higher compression and a good P&P job would have gotten you pretty close to 200whp.
Originally posted by khrisb+Oct 10 2003, 03:39 PM -->Instead of saying 200 whp, why don't you shoot for a time to run at the track? Should be a little easier to handle.
Just use some NAWS! That'll get to you 200whp quick!
He could be like me and not care about quarter mile times, but care more about the power curve and overall output and how it behaves on the road course... actually, that IS what B16 here cares about.
B16@Oct 10 2003, 03:43 PM
that is for the next B16
Originally posted by khrisb@Oct 10 2003, 08:39 PM
Instead of saying 200 whp, why don't you shoot for a time to run at the track? Should be a little easier to handle.
Just use some NAWS! That'll get to you 200whp quick!
Originally posted by sleepergtx@Oct 10 2003, 01:56 PM
If Honda can throw 240 hp on a 2.0 and get 140 hp per liter, why can't I have 200 hp out of a 1.6L?
Originally posted by Calesta+Oct 10 2003, 04:00 PM-->khrisb@Oct 10 2003, 03:39 PM
Instead of saying 200 whp, why don't you shoot for a time to run at the track? Should be a little easier to handle.
Just use some NAWS! That'll get to you 200whp quick!
He could be like me and not care about quarter mile times, but care more about the power curve and overall output and how it behaves on the road course... actually, that IS what B16 here cares about.
Originally posted by misbah@Oct 10 2003, 07:04 PM
how so? i mean im not contradicting you, there.. different. but what makes the f20 .. newer you could say. more efficient if you want than the B series ? just like the B series has a few innovations over the D series
Originally posted by sleepergtx@Oct 10 2003, 11:22 PM
All I'm saying is if Honda can make an F20 that efficient, I'm sure there's gotta be a way to get a B16 to handle that. I guess my only options would be to upgrade with B18 parts thereby upping my displacement to 1.8L and go from there with ITR internals/externals and aftermarket intake/cams/exhaust with a full port and polish on everything.
Originally posted by Calesta+Oct 11 2003, 04:49 AM-->sleepergtx@Oct 10 2003, 11:22 PM
All I'm saying is if Honda can make an F20 that efficient, I'm sure there's gotta be a way to get a B16 to handle that. I guess my only options would be to upgrade with B18 parts thereby upping my displacement to 1.8L and go from there with ITR internals/externals and aftermarket intake/cams/exhaust with a full port and polish on everything.
Just because one Honda engine can make 200whp doesn't mean another one can... The S2000's block is a superior design compared to the B16. It's 10 years newer.
Originally posted by sleepergtx@Oct 10 2003, 05:56 PM
If Honda can throw 240 hp on a 2.0 and get 140 hp per liter, why can't I have 200 hp out of a 1.6L?
Originally posted by 92b16vx@Oct 11 2003, 01:58 PM
I haven't seen a B16A hit 200whp without upping the displacment. Bore and stroke, there is no replacement for displacment, more fuel/air = more power.
Originally posted by K2e2vin+Oct 11 2003, 07:35 PM-->92b16vx@Oct 11 2003, 01:58 PM
I haven't seen a B16A hit 200whp without upping the displacment. Bore and stroke, there is no replacement for displacment, more fuel/air = more power.
the best replacement for displacement is revs. ever wonder how f1 cars with 3.0L v10s make 800hp NA?
if you can make more torque higher in the rpm band you can make 200whp NA. Use the b16's short stroke to your advantage, because the stroke is smaller it uses smaller rods, which would reduce the reciprocating mass and rev quicker. A ITR final drive would probally help the car also because of the lack of low-end torque.
Originally posted by K2e2vin@Oct 11 2003, 07:57 PM
with about 120lbs torque at arund 8500rpm, you'll have 200hp with the b16.
Originally posted by asmallsol+Oct 11 2003, 05:44 PM-->sleepergtx@Oct 10 2003, 05:56 PM
If Honda can throw 240 hp on a 2.0 and get 140 hp per liter, why can't I have 200 hp out of a 1.6L?
Dude you suck at math. 240/2.0liters = 120hp per liter.
Stock b16 produces 160hp with 1.6 liters aka 100hp/liter. Then lets say you build it to out perform a b16b, at lets say 200hp, now your at roughly 125 hp/liter. Your in a sence, out performing the s2k powerplant. But remember, the s2k may have 240 hp, but it does not put 240 down to the ground, same with that engine. To get to 200 whp, you would have to add about 35-40 more crank HP to b16's setting, which is about 230-240 hp. That is a fucking big boost in HP and b16's was already mildly built. B16's b16 put out 170 hp to the ground. Now multiply that by 15 percent (loss from drivetrain) and you got almost exactly 200bhp.