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368 hp n/a b18c(1 or 5)

Discussion in 'Civic and CRX - EF' started by sweeeperstang, Sep 7, 2006.

  1. sweeeperstang

    sweeeperstang New Member

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    someone wnats to hook me up with a motor for my 88 crx. either a zc or the b18 c1 or c5 not sure if its actually a type r or not he says it is but he called wrong nuber out. hes claming like 368 to the ground . i dont know ush about it yet. i do know that it is a long rod stroker motor built for compression and or nitrous and its got a b16 head. that alone suprised me , y put a b16 head on an 18 when its allready vtec? is it bettr ? ill post more about it when i find out more about it. but what all will it take structurly to ake it fit in my rex? (axles and detaild stuff like that.) well thanks for all thw input
     
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    i can tell you right now that its bullshit. getting to 300 NA on a b series takes ALOT of work.

    and its not gonna be built for compression and nitrous. nitrous setups work better on lower compression. not high compression.

    there have only been a few 300+ bseries and they keep the specs very hush hush.

    i dont think anyone has broken 350 with a NA bseries, they are barely breaking 300. either his claim of 368 is bs, or his claim of NA is bullshit.

    if you are running nitrous, you arent NA.
     
  3. reikoshea

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    i highly doubt youre going to get what hes claiming. you dont see many (if any) all motor hondas with that kind of power. id look to someone else for an engine.


    damnit, someone beat me to it.
     
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    368whp from an N/A b18C* ... that would be amazing... I call BS.
    Mount kit from hasport, a cable transmission or conversion, and some hammering I think.

    Damn 2 people beat me to it :(
     
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    well im probably not saying everything right. the motor is DEF. built its like dart certified maybe the the 386 was with n02 . i dont know how mush compression it has . i do kow its got popups . hes prety good to his word but . . . im probaly not geting the whole picture i have to call him back tomarrow
     
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    i mean its still an awsome motor even if i cant turbo it :( right??
     
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    the formula for nitrous oxide is n2o....nos is a brand name, thats where the confusion comes in.

    if its on nitrous its more believable, but there is no way that is a N/A number.
     
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    And it sounds like a good motor, high compression + turbo would scare me though.
     
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    if that scares you then high comp w/ n2o should scare you more.
     
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    I was just following the facts, he said he didn't know 'ush about it' but wants to boost it...
    Peanut butter, jelly time.
     
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    how can you say that nitrous and hight compresion is bad there are tons and tons of people runing 12-13:1 with nitrous ive dine it my self get some info befor yoou post this crap have you ever even ran nitrous or are you afraid of the gas of death
     
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    ROFL!! have i run nitrous before? apparently youve missed the threads ive posted about what nitrous does to engines if not built properly. we built a na 310 ford for a guy (12.5:1) and told him NOT to run nitrous on it, or his cylinder pressure will probably shatter his rod. 3 weeks later he came back with 2 broken rods and 4 bent ones. ive posted this shit a lot, and ive built/helped build dozens of engines. believe me, the shit i post isnt a guess, its fact.

    how bout you stop tryin to act like a g and read what ive actually posted.

    if you want to run high comp and nitrous, ill definitely build your new engine for you so you can throw that rod through the block again.
     
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    its called detonation and if you controll this you wound be having problems unless you are just over powering the rods. the only problem i have ever had is beating the rod bearings out when runing lots of notrous on a steel rodded motor. you have to buy the correct parts and you will be fine good rods pistons with the ring groves low


    o and most important correct you timing and run good fuel


    by the way i have a friend that has a 400in small block chevy that is runing 13.5:1 and 300hp of nitrous on a single stage and it seams to propell his malibu down the 1/8 mi in about 5.70 on a set of 26x8.5x15s and the only thing that he has broke this year is a input shaft on a coan powerglide
     
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    you live you learn, you drive cars that do 10-11 sec quarters (not honda). I have been eating sleeping and breathing cars for the past year, and while im not the most experienced person on the block, the CYLINDER PRESSURE while running nitrous and high comp, will cause rods to break. even carillo rods with car bolts break due to nitrous. No detonation, just CYLINDER PRESSURE. Sleeves keep you from blowing the rod through your block, but it still breaks engines.
     
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    interesting, it looks like both of you are aruging 2 different points. One about cylinder pressure, and one about detonation. . . It may be just me, but i see 2 different arguments here. Reik, is just stating what he has seen/read/done and might have a hand in doing. I dont know the guy personally, but hes been around this board for quite sometime and has some very eye opening information about hondas/cars in general.

    As for your 350+ Na b18, thats some bs, its hard enough to break 200-250hp with an NA honda motor, let alone a 1.8. i was over at church's the other day getting my car dyno'd and there was a k20, fully built race motor putting down 270hp NA. so i highly doubt that motor is making as much as he claims.

    Another thing, why would you want a street car thats pushing 350whp NA, in a honda. 350 in any other car would be okay, but ina honda you wouldnt be able to drive the damn thing.

    And why the big gap, you are picking between a GSR and a ZC. . . .i see a slight difference in the 2 motors.
     
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    Back on topic,can anyone show me some proof of a NA B-series with anything near or over 300hp?
     
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    the highest ive seen is somethign around 260 ish, and thats a fully built b20
     
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    highest ive seen is about 250
     
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    The reason you break rods and have insane cylinder pressures is due to too much goddamned ignition timing. If you start the combustion process too early (while the piston is still way down in the bore on the compression stroke) you run the risk of very high cylinder pressures (which bends rods, breaks ring lands etc etc) as the flame front expands and smacks right into the piston which is on its way up to TDC. Nitrous motors by nature have a very dense intake charge (lots of fuel and 02 closely packed together in the cylinder) therefore the flame front propigates at a much higher rate than a NA car. This requires less timing to control cylinder pressures (starting the cumbustion later, but not too late-this is the crux of 'tuning') but still make good power.

    It's great that you think and like cars. etc but with 'a year of experience' as you claim to have you should be more open minded to other people's opinions and experiences. You probably hang around a bunch of cranky old guys set in their antiquated ways and you are going to end up like one of those closed minded fools if you keep up your attitude. Good luck.

    To the OP: 368 whp is attainable out of a B18, although you would spend over $100k on engine development....probably half a million would do it nicely with some spare motors.
     
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