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Originally posted by 90DAFOSHIZZLE@Jul 21 2003, 12:16 AM
What the hell is everyone's problem with putting a B16a into a 90 integra. They usually run 15.00-15.3 with just the swap, bolt ons will take you into the 14s (especially if you upgrade the flywheel and the clutch). So you lose 9 lb. ft. of torque but, you gain 30 hp!!! It is faster than a B18A. The B16 also has a near perfect r/s ratio of 1.745 (perfect is 1.75). Which is why it doesn't come with a block girdle because it doesn't need one. B18Cs need one and LS/VTECs really need one. The r/s ratio is the big problem with the LS/VTEC. If you want a motor that will last and you can turbo it and possibly use a small shot of NOS get a B16a. Want some more displacement? Get a B17 crank and rods and you will have a 1.7 litre and still have a great r/s ratio.
Go ahead and do a LS/VTEC if you want a motor that won't last unless you put a shitload of money into it. You could put that money into a B16 with a turbo. Will cost as much as a type r motor if you get the B16a swap and get the rev hard turbo kit from www.afterhourzracing.com . I called up rev hard and they said with that combo they have seen 243-248 at the wheels and the bottom end is good till 300hp. The B18a with that kit will dyno out at 205-210 any higher and you will need some tougher internals.
Torque is overrated. Sure, you can feel torque but, you can feel good when that VTEC kicks in and you smoke some fool that still has a B18a in his Integra. You wanna get something to make up for the torque? Get the optional LSD.
So what if it is 2600lbs. The 1999-00 Civic Si weighs the same. Do you ever see those people getting rid of their B16s for B18Cs? I usually see Civic Sis with turbo B16s own drag races when everybody meets up late at night, until some mullet wearing muscle car owner pulls out of the 5th gas station he had to stop at on the way from his house and smokes the fastest turbo Si and then goes to the gas station again before his car runs out of fuel.
I have seen my friends 94 LS integra (fastest year for the LS) with a 5speed run a 99 Civic Si, both cars were stock. The LS jumped by a nose off the line then you here that VTEC sing and the Si puts like 5 or 6 cars on the LS by the end of the 1/4. My friend with the LS was really cocky too, it was great to see him get owned.
Originally posted by 90DAFOSHIZZLE@Jul 21 2003, 12:16 AM
What the hell is everyone's problem with putting a B16a into a 90 integra.
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It is faster than a B18A. The B16 also has a near perfect r/s ratio of 1.745 (perfect is 1.75). Which is why it doesn't come with a block girdle because it doesn't need one. B18Cs need one and LS/VTECs really need one. The r/s ratio is the big problem with the LS/VTEC.
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Go ahead and do a LS/VTEC if you want a motor that won't last unless you put a shitload of money into it.
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The B18a with that kit will dyno out at 205-210 any higher and you will need some tougher internals.
Torque is overrated. Sure, you can feel torque but, you can feel good when that VTEC kicks in and you smoke some fool that still has a B18a in his Integra. You wanna get something to make up for the torque? Get the optional LSD.
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It is faster than a B18A. The B16 also has a near perfect r/s ratio of 1.745 (perfect is 1.75). Which is why it doesn't come with a block girdle because it doesn't need one. B18Cs need one and LS/VTECs really need one. The r/s ratio is the big problem with the LS/VTEC.
Go ahead and do a LS/VTEC if you want a motor that won't last unless you put a shitload of money into it.
Originally posted by lsvtec@Jul 21 2003, 02:40 PM
But only for 2-3 years until they realized that 1.6 liters was too damned small to pull a 2600 lbs chassis around.
How about you enlighten us with you "experiences". Specifically on:
It is faster than a B18A. The B16 also has a near perfect r/s ratio of 1.745 (perfect is 1.75). Which is why it doesn't come with a block girdle because it doesn't need one. B18Cs need one and LS/VTECs really need one. The r/s ratio is the big problem with the LS/VTEC.
But before you do that you might want to make sure that you aren't just reguritating that BS article that has been circulating. Read this to make sure: https://hondaswap.com/forums/index.php?...showtopic=14965
Go ahead and do a LS/VTEC if you want a motor that won't last unless you put a shitload of money into it.
Prove it. I have built several that have lasted fine with only Honda parts in the bottom end. How many LSVTEC's that you have built blew up simply because the LS bottom end is "junk" (make sure that you do not count any instances of ruching or skimping on the build in that count)?
Try that again.
Originally posted by word@Jul 21 2003, 09:49 PM
not to shit on your parade but
if i had a ls motor i'd build a lsvtec because of its low end torque gives me more drivability, of course it'll cost a little more than a b16 but who's just gonna swap an engine and be done with it? money will be spent on the swapped b16a as well.
i'm not hating on b16's, I drive a b16 HB and I love it.
replacements for displacement are turbo and RPM's, what's gonna happen when the big blocks get turbos or is built to withstand higher rpms? Same build, displacement owns.
displacement's replacement = rotary + turbo , they can't get rotors in their piston engines lol.