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B16a2 help

Discussion in 'HYBRID -> EG-EK / DC' started by brigrat, May 11, 2008.

  1. brigrat

    brigrat New Member

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    Ok here's how it goes... i have a b16a2 swap into a 93 civic hatch with a gsr tranny... i want to go fast and be able to get there quickly. i know i need a turbo but what else should i be looking @ geting?
     
  2. schleht

    schleht Automotive Addict

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    Choose your Turbo size/setup and get these supporting modifications:

    BuddyClub .2mm Turbo Head Gasket - $172.26
    CoolingMist Meth/Water Injection Kit - $350.00
    Walbro Performance 255lph Fuel Pump - $94.95
    Russel Stainless Steel Fuel Line Kit - $21.83
    AEM Red High Volume Fuel Rail - $134.95
    RCengineering 440cc Fuel Injectors - $314.95
    Aeromotive Boost Dependant FPR - $165.55
    PowerRevRacing 0-100psi Fuel Pressure Guage - $30.00
    Apexi Tru-Boost Electronic Controller/Guage - $279.99
    MSD Boost Timing Controller - $228.99
    MSD Complete Iginiton Set - $278.99
    Apexi S-AFC Neo Fuel/Vtec Controller - $279.95
    AEM Eugo Digital Wideband O2 Guage - $239.00


    The head gasket will lower your compression, the meth injection cools combustion down and prevents knock @ higher boost, the walbro fuel pump supplies fuel through the RC injectors to the AEM fuel rail controled by the aeromotive boost dependant fuel pressure regulator and a fuel pressure guage rigged to the fAEM fuel rail so you can set the static fuel pressure precisely. You tune your fuel maps with the APEXI S-afc Neo(I chose this piggyback for you because of it's ease of use, a more complete ECU type programmer will help you gain traction and can be set more accuratly) the aem eugo will give you an accurate air/fuel ratio. Your going to need one step colder spark plugs and an upgrade msd ignition system and use the MSD boost timing controller to set the advance on the ignition firing and finally, use the boost controller to set your spike and hold boost settings. Good luck
     
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  3. LS_VTEC

    LS_VTEC you get the BRAKE

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    I didn't know an 'ecu programmer' will help you gain traction. And whats with this meth injection on a car that is only using 440xx injectors? :lol: brigrat, just take you, your car and your check book to a performance shop and have them do the brainstorming on your project.
     
  4. schleht

    schleht Automotive Addict

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    Meth injection will keep the egt's safe no matter what, and you only set it to kick in at high boost...and the ECU will help you gain traction by more percisely tuning the vechicles timing, boost, fuel/air ratios and injector pulses...better tune = more traction. :cool:
     
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    LS_VTEC you get the BRAKE

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    Last I looked, a better tune put more power to the wheels, which in turn did not give better traction. Come on bro, think before you post. As for meth injection, do some research on it and see what it actually does to your engine internals within a short period of time.
     
  6. YBLEGAL

    YBLEGAL Regular Member w/ Cheese

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    exactly. schleht, you obviously never ran anything related to a meth setup. me either. but i know from my own reading that some of your concepts are not going to fly well.

    if your going to post potentially damaging information, please make sure you know 100% what your talking about on the subject. experiance is required.
     
  7. schleht

    schleht Automotive Addict

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    Keep trying to disprove me, I have ran meth and am currently running meth in my SRT-4 with no problems at all. I'm at 40k on the odmeter and have been running a CoolingMist 50%/50% Meth/Water Injection. I have a brand new one already purchased waiting for my hatch to be boosted. I'm going to start a thread just so you haters can follow my build and then once you realize that my setup kicks arse, you will follow in my footsteps. When building cars you cannot be narrow minded. There are 30+ people running meth injection setups on stock turbo srt-4's very safely at 21psi+ on srtfourms.com. The stock turbo is a very small TD04 type and they safely reach 300hp/350tq by using an AGP adjustable integrated wastegate to up the boost, a simple apexi safc-II, upgraded fuel pump, 650cc injectors and acouple other parts including a meth/water injection kit. Without meth injection or else the EGT's would run unsafely high and the kits aren't direct combustion chamber injection, the meth/water mix is supplied to the system through a tapped hole in your intake pipe closer to the throttle body where the spray nozzel is installed into. Here's a picture of my new meth injection kit from coolingmist that WILL be run on my boosted hatch with a similar setup as posted eariler in the thread and also a picture of my SRT-4 note to big fmic :). I'm not saying the way you run a turbo setup is wrong, I'm just saying my turbo setup works extremely safe and efficient. I'm going to start working on my turbo build-up thread, sucrcibe to it so I can disprove all the haters on these forums.
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  8. BrutalB83

    BrutalB83 Brutal Moderator Moderator VIP

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    Right, yeah, just because you've worked with SRT-4s before doesn't mean you're an expert on Honda tuning. I would never try and tune a boosted Honda with an AFC and boost controller. That's old school for Hondas at this point dude. You should be looking towards a chipped ECU and dyno-tuning using Crome/Hondata/etc., i.e. a complete custom tune for whatever setup you're running...
     
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  9. boostin4fun

    boostin4fun Boosted ls/vtec ohh yeah!

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    Im with him. Seriously I am boosted like a mother fucker and I dont use methanol injection. I can tell you right now with a chipped ecu and crome you wont have those problems, that is if you know what you are doing. Your egt should not be getting dangerously high with a good tune. If your egts are getting high you are probably running lean or running a little too much timing for your setup. Piggy back controllers are junk, tuning from manipulating map sensor signals is ghetto in my opinion and works like shit for boosted cars. If you want to learn about honda tuning go here before posting something stupid. www.pgmfi.org
     
  10. LS_VTEC

    LS_VTEC you get the BRAKE

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    Follow in your foot steps? Who in their right mind would need to run meth/water injection on a stock srt4, or stock anything for that matter? And whats with the 650cc injectors and an SAFCII with boost controller... what the hell kind of engine management is that? Meth injection is useless for street cars, period.
     
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    schleht Automotive Addict

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    It's not engine managment kid...I said if you wanted to run an AEM EMS or GREDDY Emanage type engine managment you could more accuractly setup your car apply boost in a more efficient way to more effective gain traction...you don't even remember what you were trying to hate on. I said for him, an APEXI SAFC would be better because of it's ease of use then I went on to talk about using a better engine management system to better tune his car because the boost will be applied in a sketchy way giving you 0 traction. Once again, the water/meth injection is to keep the car running for ever. Stop hating and start accepting new methods of tuning, everyone does things in a different way. Go check srtforums.com and try to talk to them about turbo setups, they agree with me. BTW 650cc injectors will adequatly prove enough fuel for a low 13 high 12 second car...nobody that I have seen has sucessfully built or an 11to 10 second daily driven spooner.

    Really why must you hate, I was giving input it's up to him to determine what path he wants to take...I didn't see you giving him any advice, you just tried to discredit my input. This is about accumilating data on tuning a turbo civic...why don't you make yourself useful and tell him what he should do instead of hating on me.
     
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    LS_VTEC you get the BRAKE

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    You are pathetic. Please kill yourself.
     
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    LS_VTEC you get the BRAKE

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    Your theory on injectors; I went 12.80's with rc310's. Fuel system/delivery/fuel tuning is solely specified on the amount of air introduced to the combustion chamber, as well as fuel to accomodate. If you srt4 guys need 650cc injectors to go 12-13's, you all need to see a Doctor. Ive seen stock fuel system srt4's go that fast, spare me your BS.
     
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    schleht Automotive Addict

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    I'll gladly kill myself in front of you kid, where do you live? You won't want to miss it.;)
     
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    LS_VTEC you get the BRAKE

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    And how the hell does boost get applied in a "sketchy" way?.. causing 0 traction? Have you been drinking the KoolAid again? Boost is built the same no matter WHAT turbo, what car or what engine management. Traction is traction, no EMS will help you get better traction, the only thing it can do is hold boost at a specific psi in a specified gear. For example, my 10 second turbo civic (street car), tuned of DEFI ver.6; When on 22psi setting on race fuel, it held the boost at 14psi in first gear, 18 psi in second gear, and 22 psi all the way out, tuned between 1/2-WOT.
     
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    BrutalB83 Brutal Moderator Moderator VIP

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    You don't know of anyone with fast daily-driven "spooners" because you hang with the SRT-4 crowd. Hondas were probably jokes to you up until the point you owned one. There certainly are 10 and 11 second daily driven Hondas, most of them probably have multiple tunes though, one for the track and one for the street. Really, do you need more than 300 wheel horse daily-driven anyway?

    People are running 13s and 12s in H and K-swapped hatches with pretty much just bolt-on mods, no turbo necessary. Like I said, you don't know this because you've been into a different scene for quite some time now...
     
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    LS_VTEC you get the BRAKE

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    You keep calling me a kid, I am a grown ass man with more knowledge in this field than most. Do you even know what it means to be master certified by ASE? Oh, I forgot, you work at Pizza Hut delivering pizza.
     
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    LS_VTEC you get the BRAKE

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    I had 5 different settings, tuned on my ems. 22psi race gas, 22psi pump gas, 13psi pump gas and 18psi pump gas. And the map for the 22psi was tuned from 14-22psi on c12, and lastly my limp mode tune, just incase I broke anything on the street, I could get it home safely.
     
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    Now you have sank to talking sh*t over the internet. HAHAHA, I won't go there, I'm unscribing to this thread. By the way, look at the cars I own(b16a2 honda, Big Turbo Srt-4, and my daily driver a 08' Altima 4-door with navi and all factory options) I make more money than your parents and you incomes together.
     
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    BrutalB83 Brutal Moderator Moderator VIP

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    And you did all that with your AFC and boost controller, right? :D
     
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