Block Filling

[hcivic.com]

they trick is not to use epoxy but to smelt down old block and use it as filler.

 

[racintweek]

thats an idea, but its not what everyone else does so its wrong

 

[AllMotorMonster]

Tweek and everyone else out there that thinks I'm an idiot...


Lessons learned are lessons taught, lessons not remembered are destined to be repeated in time.

Remember this and you shall be wiser.

Take it for what it's worth, I'm done with it.

 

[MikeBergy]

The concept of using a block guard, whether it be made of epoxy or one you buy, is a poor concept because neither solution addresses the non uniform heat transfer that will result. If you never run the car except for at the track, I'm guessing overheating is not going to be a big issue, because the engine does not get a lot of continous use. Is the the epoxy pliable in anyway? I was guessing that the epoxy was pliable enough to expand with the cylinders. As mentioned, I would guess the epoxy would be a lot less stong than a metal guard, but would act more as a damper than a support, to damp out the vibrations of the cylinders. I'd just sleeve for anything but a drag motor.

 

[hcivic.com]

Originally posted by MikeBergy@Feb 9 2005, 05:32 PM
The concept of using a block guard, whether it be made of epoxy or one you buy, is a poor concept because neither solution addresses the non uniform heat transfer that will result. If you never run the car except for at the track, I'm guessing overheating is not going to be a big issue, because the engine does not get a lot of continous use. Is the the epoxy pliable in anyway? I was guessing that the epoxy was pliable enough to expand with the cylinders. As mentioned, I would guess the epoxy would be a lot less stong than a metal guard, but would act more as a damper than a support, to damp out the vibrations of the cylinders. I'd just sleeve for anything but a drag motor.

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i have done it but i used smelted block. and for the record my engines are run 8-12 hours straight and full throttle I break parts faster than i can count but thats no the point. after trying posting and gaurds, the epoxy method seemed like a good idea but we had the tools to smelt the broken block so we did and to date i have not blown out a block ( just pistons and bent rods)

 

[MikeBergy]

Originally posted by hcivic.com+Feb 9 2005, 06:26 PM-->

MikeBergy

@Feb 9 2005, 05:32 PM
The concept of using a block guard, whether it be made of epoxy or one you buy, is a poor concept because neither solution addresses the non uniform heat transfer that will result. If you never run the car except for at the track, I'm guessing overheating is not going to be a big issue, because the engine does not get a lot of continous use. Is the the epoxy pliable in anyway? I was guessing that the epoxy was pliable enough to expand with the cylinders. As mentioned, I would guess the epoxy would be a lot less stong than a metal guard, but would act more as a damper than a support, to damp out the vibrations of the cylinders. I'd just sleeve for anything but a drag motor.

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i have done it but i used smelted block. and for the record my engines are run 8-12 hours straight and full throttle I break parts faster than i can count but thats no the point. after trying posting and gaurds, the epoxy method seemed like a good idea but we had the tools to smelt the broken block so we did and to date i have not blown out a block ( just pistons and bent rods)

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Just a quick Q, what was the process you went through after smelting the block down? After getting the smelted block poured in an solidified and cleaned out, did you heat up the block in the oven to get the metal structures are going the right way (material engineering stuff), ie grain structure? That is the process my shop does when it has to weld a damaged cylinder head, inorder to get the material to have uniformity. Just wondering.

 

[racintweek]

Originally posted by AllMotorMonster@Feb 9 2005, 08:08 PM
Tweek and everyone else out there that thinks I'm an idiot...


Lessons learned are lessons taught, lessons not remembered are destined to be repeated in time.

Remember this and you shall be wiser.

Take it for what it's worth, I'm done with it.

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in no way do I think you are an idiot, I think you shouldnt try to discourage people from trying something different

it may not hold 600+hp but if its better than stock and does the job, why not try it?

 

[ryan89crx]

straight from the dyno this last weekend. the boys at HMT had a dyno day and got to test out a bunch of motors.

Look at Beau's setup!! quote from the owner of HMT

Originally posted by AbaZ
Well today was a "so so" day.. Overal things went pretty well (besides the gysers of coolant on a few engines)

We had the battle of "300whp" on stock engines with a few guys. Dustin was the first to start off.

Turbo Ls/vtec (stock)
T3/T4 (unknown specs) running 9-12psi vary

Made 277whp / 180tq

The next run we changed a few settings, a bit more fuel and the thing either popped a head gasket or cracked a sleeve, because it was ugly

Ted (cadracer) was next with Chevy Truck.

SBC 350 (built 11.1 forged pistons)
T04 turbo running 6psi

Made 365whp / 430tq

Ted's fuel pump was pretty much maxed out, stock fuel pump. We tried turning up the boost but it was leaning out pretty bad. For 6psi this thing rips!

Dave (leed) also another shooting for 300whp.

Stock B16a w/ GSR pistons
SC61 running 13psi

Made 311whp / 204tq

On daves last run when he turned up the boost even higher, the spark plug was shooting coolant out like a gyser, haha. I hope you made it back home man

Alfy (alfaaay) running NA at the momment.

GSR NA running Toda A cams, ITR Valve train. AN-R intake mani, DC 4-1 header.

Made 171whp / 129tq

Unknown why this thing was so low, it should bet hitting 180's.

Johnny (Random-Strike)
Stock Mustang 5.0 w/ Flowmasters

Made 187whp / 255tq

Johnny actually didnt even get one clean run in, his tranny kept coming out of gear and upshifting or downshifting. So these #'s are really inaccurate. The dyno guy calculated 228 if the tranny would have shifted right.

Beau (blacksi)

88 Crx SI (race car)
Stock block B16a, SRP pistons/Eagle rods block filled.
60-1 T4 turbo running 33psi!

Made 467whp / 312tq

Beaus car really suprised me, we didnt have any major problems other than the standard "what fucking map is loaded ?!!?!?!?" But we got things figured out, boost cranked up and it ripped pretty damn good. Beau had this big smile on his face and said "33psi" I about crapped my pants. Beau is also known for very agressive timing maps. 26.0 degrees all across the board!!!

Jay (the all motor whore) running his Turbo car.

EG Hatch SI
Stock LS/Vtec
Holset HX35 on a nice log mani (running 13psi)

Made 321whp / 232tq

Jay was having some problems running on 3 cylinders when he showed up, but the extra set of plugs cleared it right up. I was pretty impressed that this thing layed down those kinds of numbers.

Alec (CivicZC) came up with FOOK from Oregon

EF Hatch
Stock ZC
T3 .42/.48 w/ log mani (10psi)

Made 213whp / 172tq

Had some problems at first with Turboedits boost cut and a very nigger rigged HMT boost controller that spiked 20psi!

Jeff (Abaz)

89 Crx SI
D16a6 stock

Made 131whp / 115tq

My first run I was almost dead on with the ass dyno 129.9whp. I figured it was going to be 130ish. What kinda sucked is I didnt have a wideband so I didnt get to see any of my air/fuels (my wideband crapped out) The race gas was a really bad idea and ran like shit on my car. I only made 3 runs unlike everyone else who did around 5. I only changed one thing in the tune and that was take 4 degrees of timing out and gained 2whp. So basically I didnt even tune the thing. Overall I made my goal and am very happy.

Leia (princess) always gotta save the best for last

EK Hatch
Built shortblock H22 (stock head/stock cams/stock im)
62-1 Turbonetics BB turbo (21psi)

Made 472whp / 365tq

We made no adjustments to this thing, it ran freaking great on the dyno. We just kept turning up the boost, and going and going. The graph was really smooth. We cranked it up to 22psi and the overflow hose blew off. (meaning the coolant got pressureized somehow) Thinking the head may have lifted at high boost or the headgasket seaped slightly. But its running just fine right now, no problems.

Overall it was a pretty good day.. Ya it really sucks about dustins car, and daves car. I'll get some pics up here pretty soon. I'm sure dave and fook will have some videos later on too.

Jeff

Cant work?!?

 

[phunky.buddha]

Nice numbers!