Discussion in 'Members' Lounge' started by Celerity, Jun 30, 2005.
Man beats the ever living shit out of car theives - Hate crime ?
This is gonna be fun.
Bloomberg is a jackass and is going to try and play it off like the white people were wrong (I'm black and saying this). They were obviously there to steal a car. Sure maybe they shouldn't have been beaten so bad but they deserved what they got.
I honestly don't think it was a hate crime. I've been through howard beach and it is defenitly prodominately a white town. If a few black guys walk through there it's like a tank that was set on fire running through the neighborhood, it's not common. Then when they were suspciously looking at random people....they knew something was up.
It's just like if a couple white people tried to walk through I dunno say the Orchard Projects in Elizabeth. It's not even that bad but it's predominantly black/spanish buildings. I wouldn't be suprised if they acted out either.
if you're there to steal a car-- i don't give a fuck if you're purple, orange, green, black, or white- i'll beat the fuck out of you just the same.
fuck this racial bullshit.
if he goes to jail for this, its a fucking EOP reverse-racism shame.
oh no a fractured skull- i got that much from my dad for doing shit that was bad lol! j/p they had the right - theyre protecting their neighborhood telling every one dont fuck around !
if one of my neighbors saw someone who was suspicious trying to steal my car and they go beat thier ass, they get dinner, beer, and cigs from me for the next week.
to justice, can I call it justice?
They could have prevented the theft a lot differently. I honestly think the guy took it to far by actually hitting the guy in the head with a bat.
I don't really get why you'd hit someone int he head with a bat when he didn't even break into your car, but was "possibly" going to. One time I caught a kid in my garage sitting on my race bike. I asked him what he was doing, he simply got up and started running outside without saying a word. I ran and caught up, and continuously shoved him into the street and put him in his place by not letting him stand up, but I didn't loose my cool and fracture his skull with the bat in my left hand. In the last two years since this,nothing has disappeared around my house, and I live in a shitty neighborhood. Hell we have a casino three doors down.
But then again....
It could be like in American History X. The guys were going to steal Norton's car, and he killed them and used their possible thievery as an excuse for his "unhateful" actions. Not justice by no means.
i guesse it all depends on the situation
the story will be skewed anyhow
and as far as being charged as a hate crime the whole "hate crime" thing can be pretty sketch
like one comedian said (cant recall who) something to the point that if 1 person is beating the shit out of another you can bet yer ass he hates him
Fuck em, they came to steal a car, they said that, and they got what they deserved. I have 0, none, nil, nada pity or sympathy for a fucking thief. HEll I wish America would be like Turkey and cut your fucking hand off for stealing.
It could really go either way but one thing that pisses me off. Is that people can no longer beat someone up of another color with out being racist. Serioulsy they where gonna steal a car kicked the crap out of them. I'd do the same just not with a bat. If a white guy beats up a black guy its a hate crime but if the shoe is on the other foot then its just assault.
this sort of reminds me if a thief falls thru your skylight and hurts himself in your house when he is originally there to steal your tv... you get fucked, not him.
even if he used his fist he would still be charged with assault and a hate crime.
you are trying to make a point that is beyond retarded.
3 black guys stealing cars and you are going to confront them with your fist? theres a VERY high chance that they are armed with something. knife, maybe gun. going at them with your fist would be probably the stupidest thing you could do.
using a weapon does not make you a pussy, it is covering your own ass, trying to level the playing field, because who the hell knows what they have.
3 thieves are in my yard, i'm going out with either a bat, a 4-cell mag light, or a strut bar.
For one, he was two other guys. For two, the whole bat running outside routine is a scare tactic, not a strategy. No one ever expects to act with the bat. Hell I have a bat inside my door that I've used to have to repeatedly run outside with whenever a fucking frog ribbited. But I never smashed the frog when it was next to my car and I caught up to it.
Still point falls on, when you catch up to one using the scare tactic and he falls over are you going to hit him in the skull? Your response tells me about one's judgement and the lack of in that situation if you would have acted the same.....
The guy took it wayy too far.
I'd rather send the message out that if you try to steal shit your going to get your skull caved in. I couldn't careless about whether the guy used a bat or his fist, it wasn't a dick swinging contest, the guys were there to steal a car(s). If the guy had gone in galantly swinging his fist and gotten shot, what then?
Plain and simple, you don't like the consequences of stealing, don't fucking steal. Fuck em.
Sorry man, but people in America have way to little respect for other peoples property, obviously cops don't scare people, obviously prison doesn't scare people, but I garantee those three guys that came to steal a car are going to think twice before doing it again, at least in that nieghboorhood. Americas in such a tizzy to keep everyone happy, and protect as many as they can, but the fact is, we leave ourselves unprotect more and more by allowing criminals the latitude we do.
Of course now that the fucking media was turned it into a fuck race crime, now instead of realizing that they were wrong to go steal cars, the guy protecting his area is a racist and they are the victims, fucking bullshit.
I say hats off to those that protect their own.
Protecting a clan, not just your own, but an innocent being stalked upon is also a cornerstone in martial arts / eastern clan charters. Protecting your car isn't worth bashing a head in, but getting criminals out of your neighborhood is.
Conflict is a 3 dimensional plain - Your side, Their Side and the Truth. Observance is the 4th dimension of perspective. Pro-basebat people view the situation from a different angle than anti-baseball bat people.
I, for one, am anti-baseball bat. Here is why: A baseball bat is wielded for games. Tire-irons for changing tires. To protect a group or small society of people from danger and harm, you should either be able to make a diffident stand against the group with your hands - And if you aren't able to stand against a large force majeure, Use a firearm.
This guy is prolly going to hang for this. If he had proper defense training or even a good lawyer he might not, but not many lawyers are prepared to defend a client who has used an instrument in a manner of defense.
Sorry if this is incoherent, I'm at work and I'm running a ton of server apps at the same time.
so, what you're saying is that using a baseball bat or tire iron isn't ok, but using a gun is?
and if he shot out both his knee caps, and each foot- he would be a much more moreal person and shouldn't have to go to court for it.
1 on 3, i'm taking Louisville with me.
guns are for pussies any way.
so, using a trumpet wouldn't have been ok either?
this methodology is flawed.
a weapon is a weapon is a weapon.
i met a kid who got locked up for aggrivated assualt with a common object used as a weapon. He beat some kid with a book. It became a weapon.
a fuckin book???
this should be considered in the same context as the iraq war...
was that a hate crime? according to the administration no...
was it aggrivated assault? no, according to the administration it was a pre-emptive strike because of the threat the enemy posed to our home land...
this baseball bat weilding protector of his society should be considered a hero for having the balls to stand up to thieves and safeguarding his home...
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