wait for vista, or buy now?
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and intel is the only board that allows the chip to control the fan speeds. cool feature, but still a little buggy from what i hear. I havent gotten to use the intel board yet (i just built the computer, someone else did all the installs and shit), just the dfi (friend) and ASUS (brother). Both performed very well (as the reviews on toms hardware, bit-tech, and AnAndTech).
The box with that intel board in it (just a mid range db server) hasnt been launched yet. Ill let you know if i see it alerting for anything out of the ordinary.
The box with that intel board in it (just a mid range db server) hasnt been launched yet. Ill let you know if i see it alerting for anything out of the ordinary.
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its a colo-dev server. their app server (live traffic) is WELL OVER a $30,000 server (Dell 2950 of some sort...i saw the order come in for it and i nearly shat myself). We made this so they can test before going live. Lets just say this customer is not lacking for cash, they wanted a quick solution and they provided ANOTHER copy of VMware for this test. Those things are easily 5k a pop...so yeah...no biggie. 
I really hope our admins know enough not to put a box like that on an even decently trafficked server.
I really hope our admins know enough not to put a box like that on an even decently trafficked server.
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cept that server is here and we have a contract with dell and VMware is far superior than anything that RedHat or SuSE has to offer.
We arent talking straight "Hey im gonna put a forum on the internet and see what happends" were talking stuff like the american airlines ticket tracking system (note that AA is not one of our customers) that is used by hundreds of employees and HAS TO BE ONLINE AT ALL TIMES.
If the companies we were working for had low traffic and didnt need the power that VMware and the servers have, then yeah, id understand what your talking about.
Do some research on VMware...you can run it under windows or linux and its got a bazillion features that neither offer that are geared for the high end corporate user.
I am not disagreeing with you about using IBM. But we have our hands tied for the next 2 years, and we get a pretty good deal because of the volume we request daily. I dont think ive gone a day in 2 months without seeing a dell box the moment i walk through the door.
We arent talking straight "Hey im gonna put a forum on the internet and see what happends" were talking stuff like the american airlines ticket tracking system (note that AA is not one of our customers) that is used by hundreds of employees and HAS TO BE ONLINE AT ALL TIMES.
If the companies we were working for had low traffic and didnt need the power that VMware and the servers have, then yeah, id understand what your talking about.
Do some research on VMware...you can run it under windows or linux and its got a bazillion features that neither offer that are geared for the high end corporate user.
I am not disagreeing with you about using IBM. But we have our hands tied for the next 2 years, and we get a pretty good deal because of the volume we request daily. I dont think ive gone a day in 2 months without seeing a dell box the moment i walk through the door.
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endlesszeal
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Dell is a crazy company. Ever since AMD made a contract with them, all other vendors are drying up in AMD inventory.
Id buy a Dell if it was the right price because sometimes they offer crazy discounts.. But if i had to pay retail, fuck that.
Anyway, the DFI boards are weird. With the Nforce it hated the Corsairs and loved OCZ. With the new Intel boards, it hates OCZ and loves Corsair. However, the thing that remains constant is a huge requirement for a power supply. 480 Watt is a lot of power needed to just run a fucking single core low voltage AMD 3000+. THe thing I like about DFI though is that the customer support is fucking great and the forum is really lively with moderators helping you out all the time. SOme companies sit on their fingers and pick their dried feces but DFI comes through with new BIOS or fixes with issues that indefinately arise.
But id still take ASUS now because I've built 3 systems with ASUS and their the easiest no hassle boards there is. The customer service is great too. I had a chipset fan die on my 3 yr old board and way out of warranty, but I called and got shipped a replacement at no charge and no questions asked.
Id buy a Dell if it was the right price because sometimes they offer crazy discounts.. But if i had to pay retail, fuck that.
Anyway, the DFI boards are weird. With the Nforce it hated the Corsairs and loved OCZ. With the new Intel boards, it hates OCZ and loves Corsair. However, the thing that remains constant is a huge requirement for a power supply. 480 Watt is a lot of power needed to just run a fucking single core low voltage AMD 3000+. THe thing I like about DFI though is that the customer support is fucking great and the forum is really lively with moderators helping you out all the time. SOme companies sit on their fingers and pick their dried feces but DFI comes through with new BIOS or fixes with issues that indefinately arise.
But id still take ASUS now because I've built 3 systems with ASUS and their the easiest no hassle boards there is. The customer service is great too. I had a chipset fan die on my 3 yr old board and way out of warranty, but I called and got shipped a replacement at no charge and no questions asked.
lsvtec
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XEN, way cooler than VMWare especially on POWER. And as for uptime, IBM hardware has that category hands down. Virtualization works much better on POWER than on x86, have a look around the net and see. The only reason to run x86 for that kind of money is that you need to run Windows, but why run a Windows based server unless your customer said you have too.
Believe me i understand what your saying, and you can run dual environments with virtual environments along with processor division (i dont think thats the term, but thats what the feature does).
so....welllll,
Im this bored.
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so....welllll,
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endlesszeal
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uh, wtf?11
endlesszeal
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Yeah, Im more of a hardware hag, mostly ethusiast stuff. Dont really bother looking at server, software or vm (at the moment anyway) stuff.
Waiting to get a thermalright so I can push my chip to at least 2.6ghz. =)
Waiting to get a thermalright so I can push my chip to at least 2.6ghz. =)
lsvtec
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endlesszeal
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Hey B, here are the new wave of chipsets I mentioned before!
The Nvidia 680i and the G80:
AnandTech: your source for hardware analysis and news
The 8800GTS card ($450 MSRP) is here crushing most SLi and Crossfire fire offerings today (7900 GTX and X1900XT) and the 680i performing better than anything Intel has to offer for the Core 2 Duo.
The Nvidia 680i and the G80:
AnandTech: your source for hardware analysis and news
The 8800GTS card ($450 MSRP) is here crushing most SLi and Crossfire fire offerings today (7900 GTX and X1900XT) and the 680i performing better than anything Intel has to offer for the Core 2 Duo.
looks like some new cards came out..
NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GPUs and NVIDIA nForce 600 Series MCPs at TigerDirect.com
NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GPUs and NVIDIA nForce 600 Series MCPs at TigerDirect.com
yup, thats what those articles are about.
and the decision got even harder.
eVGA 122-CK-NF68-AR ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail at Newegg.com
and the decision got even harder.
eVGA 122-CK-NF68-AR ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail at Newegg.com
