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  1. AHHVTEC

    AHHVTEC Well-Known Member VIP

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    well need to know from someone who knows forsure, im a big guy about 6.3 265lbs i have a huge upper body but im not that tone at all i wont to get to looking like paul senior from orange county choppers, because thats about how wide i am up top and thats what my frame looks like so thats my goal, so whats the best way to get to this point what should i start with and how much of it.
     
  2. ThatGuy4life

    ThatGuy4life The Riced Sleeper

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    to start, i'd say curls, bench, and crunches for starters
     
  3. totalburnout

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    I'll try to put this in the lightest manner possible so as to not seem as though I'm flaming you.

    Making this post is akin to a car newbie making a post, "OmG WhAt IS TeH FaStEsT CaR aNd WhAt EnGiNe ShOuLd I uSE!#@##1111?"

    You're not being specific and haven't done your research in the least. This is a car forum not a health and fitness forum. Start off by searching websites that are pertinent to your goal like Bodybuilding.com - The Future Of Bodybuilding! Huge Bodybuilding Site. or Wanna be Big.com - The Ultimate Weight Training and Bodybuilding Resource.

    If you're serious, then you'll have to committ far more time and effort than what you've committed thus far to make this post.

    I'm not against helping anyone out, but I'm not going to waste my time on someone who won't help themselves. Too many people make bullshit statements of, "I want to get big" or "I want to get healthy" but most don't back their statements up with hardwork and motivation.

    I want to shit dollar bills. Its one thing to want and its another thing to do.
     
  4. get_nick

    get_nick These snozzberries taste like snozzberries... VIP

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    i'm not trying to be a grammar nazi or flame you, but could you break that down into separate sentences so i could get a good understanding of what you are trying to say. i can help a lot. i've been into lifting and nutrition for 11 years now and have a lot of good information.
     
  5. totalburnout

    totalburnout Well-Known Member VIP

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    And to be honest, I'd say this is horrible advice.


    Out of the major muscle groups in the body, you've managed to hit ONE major muscle group with a workout like the one you suggested. Guess what, the one you managed to hit is the smallest of the three major muscle groups.

    Once again, original poster. Don't ask this question on this forum. I haven't read of anyone on these forums being very knowledge about working out or committed to working out, ever. This isn't the place to get advice from regarding working out.
     
  6. 801CRX

    801CRX Got Rice?

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    Paul Senior hmmmmmmmm ummmmmmmmmmmmmm BINGO...........................Go build choppers.

    You asked hondaswap for advice on this matter.

    You do know that this is the same group that in the "New Years Resolutions(that none of us will keep)" thread. Most answered get into shape and stuff of that nature.
     
  7. AHHVTEC

    AHHVTEC Well-Known Member VIP

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    well first the reason i asked ive never realy lifted before so i dont know where to start, and also about posting health and fitness, there have been plenty already posted but not what i was looking for and the main one was posted by the creator of this site.and thats why i put it in this form the lounge, that what its here for ive serched the net but all i can seem to find is people tring to sell books
     
  8. get_nick

    get_nick These snozzberries taste like snozzberries... VIP

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    communication 101: first lesson. i'm trying to help you. clearly explain what your desired goals are. discuss openly your goals, motivations, and any difficulties that may interfere with your plans. then, i'll tell you everything from weightlifting routine to diet because i will have a complete understanding.

    does this make sense?
     
  9. AHHVTEC

    AHHVTEC Well-Known Member VIP

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    lol yes it does and thanks, well that perty much my goal is to get a build like paul senior i have the mass just need to build to get it there, the only problem that i know of as far as doing the lifting is i cant do squats because when i was 14 i broke my neck and about i year ago i totaly messed my knee up, but i would like a large chest and arms and mabe neck [FONT=arial,sans-serif][SIZE=-1]muscles if i can figure out how to do it without hurting it, i mean my chest is already big but not tone or defined at all i dont have boobs like a chick but it is a big to start with.basicly i just want a large upper body that is a little cut and paul senior is the only person that i know of that i can comparew to were i wont to be. iff theres anything you need to no just ask and i will tell you.[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=arial,sans-serif][/FONT][FONT=arial,sans-serif][SIZE=-1][/SIZE][/FONT]
     
  10. get_nick

    get_nick These snozzberries taste like snozzberries... VIP

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    first off, paul senior is neither cut, nor in any athletic shape whatsoever. he's big. he is just a big fucker that lifts motorcycles all day. it's in his genes.

    there are a couple things you can do. if you want to get big, just lift heavy weights as many times as you can. work on your chest, stomach, back, lats, neck. but you will just put muscle under your fat. so basically you will be stronger and bigger, but you will look more fat.

    how old are you? paul senior is big because he's old. it's part of nature. i don't see much purpose in having a lot of girth. you have to buy big clothes, it looks like big people are out of shape. the only good thing is, people think you can beat them up.

    total is right though, you are asking a noob question like, "i want my engine to go fast and beat a mustang" or some shit like that. read the links he gave you and figure out what you are really trying to do.
     
  11. AHHVTEC

    AHHVTEC Well-Known Member VIP

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    well i understand it might be a little bit of a noob question but i was sure someone here could guide me in the right direction,and i was right the reason i asked was to get the info i needed i cant do that to a book, but im 27 years old i would like to shed a little fat before i start then im not trying to look like i was cut out of stone i just wont to look like paul senior i would be happy with that, and that my goal. but with the info you gave me im alredy half way knowing what needs to be done and thanks for that.but i realy only consider it a noob question if this was a fitness site. not if it was something you didnt know about in the lounge section.
     
  12. ThatGuy4life

    ThatGuy4life The Riced Sleeper

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    I wasn't giving him a workout regiment, he was asking for advice on what to do to tone himself up not get bigger
     
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    ok...check it out

    the first thing you need to do is get on a bench press and get your max amount you lift one time...you will definitely need a spotter for this...cuz your max is something you barely get up...there are many diagrams and graphs out there that tell you what to work out with based on your max bench press...

    there are two ways to lift: to get stronger and get minor muscle mass, and there is to get more muscle mass and get cut.

    if you want the first choice, you would be lifting as heavy of weight as you can with less reps. This will increase your max lift, but you will still look the same. I have weighed between 150 and 160 for 5 or 6 years. I started out weight lifting with a max of 135 pounds on bench press...which is just the bar and a 45 on each side (the bar weighs 45 pounds on most bench presses. i kept on working out with as much as i could with 4 sets of 6 reps...it got my max up to 220 pounds pretty damn quick....but im still weighing the same....weird how that works

    but then again i run too...so i stay in top shape...

    anyways...if youre looking to get cut...you need to do more reps with less weight...hell...even push ups and crunches everyday at the house will help...i do a pyramid of push ups and crunches everyday...20 push ups:20 crunches, 19 push ups:19 crunches, and so on all the way down to 1 push up:1 crunch...it does wonders...but you might want to start out with 10 of each and work your way down...then as it gets easier you add more on to the pyramid...

    the pyramid idea can go with bench press as well...start out very light...and do 20 reps...add 5 pounds and do 19 reps...add 5 more and do 18...and so on...until you get to your max that you are only supposed to be able to do 1 time...but dont get mad if you cant get it your first time on the pyramid...youre going to be slap tired once you get to it...

    ok...you are wanting to focus on your upper body...but i hate it when guys go into the weightroom and only want their upper body looking nice and they neglect their legs and lower body...im like wtf! so...if you pan on working out monday through friday...pick monday, wednesday, and friday for upper boday and pick tuesday and thursday for lower body...

    your upper body days will be strictly on upper body...dont do anything lower body related on those days...i usually start out with bench press, then move to curls, then move to decline bench press, then the chest machine, then incline bench press, then the shoulder pull down thingie, then the same machine only i stand up and push down with the rope to work my triceps...then i do some dips and get on some crunch machines...and i do many more machines...when im done...my upper body feels like rubber...if you dont walk out feeling tired...you didnt work hard enough...and if you arent sore the next morning...you definitely didnt work hard enough...

    on the leg days...i start out with leg press...then squats...then leg lifts...then hamstrings which is the leg lift machine only the opposite way...then the calf machine...and then i jog...

    anyways...ive rambled on enough...hope some of this stuff helps you out...good luck with the workout
     
  14. totalburnout

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    I'll post this for the last time.


    THERE IS NO GOD DAMN THING KNOWN AS TONING.

    "TONING" IS A FUNCTION OF DIET, NOT HOW MANY REPS OR WHAT KIND OF EXERCISES YOUR PERFORM.

    /this thread.

    /advice in this thread, except for what get_nick has said.


    Original poster, I did point you in the right direction. You're going to fail at lifting if you can't take the time or effort to click two links and research a little bit. Your question has been posted a million times on other websites before. You must have searched for 5 seconds before giving up, or you don't know how to use the internet.

    Paul Senior has years of lifting under his belt. There's no way that you can even come close to his size, with his muscle mass, without working at it for an extended period of time. There's no way a person who doesn't work out can even delude themselves so highly to believe that they have a build anything like his. The guy is an absolute monster, just because you have the height or weight doesn't mean that you're going to be able to have the muscle mass and size that he does - especially not every night.

    Have you watched an episode before? He constantly goes to Gold's Gym, which is a huge muscle head and steroid gym. He was repping 315+lbs on bench with ease the one time they showed him lifting. Thats not common.
     
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    97Accord, I'll help you out here.

    Read what I wrote about toning. It doesn't matter how many reps you do, thats not what determines how you look - your diet is what determines how you look.

    Reps effect muscular strength and muscular endurance, nothing more.

    Also, fix your workout.

    You don't go from bench pressing to doing curls for your second exercise. Your biceps are one of your smallest muscle groups, thus they should be worked last.

    You're completely neglecting your back in your workout as well.

    The presses always come before curls, so don't be that idiot curl jockey that walks into the gym and curls right after he benches or everytime he works out.

    You need at minimum, pull ups and some sort of rows in there and a deadlift to have atleast 3back exercises to go with 3chest exercises.

    Lastly, please don't give any amateur advice on lifting. He doesn't know how to lift properly, he certainly shouldn't be trying to max out his first time out there - thats a good way to get yourself hurt. Good form and an estimated max is better than trying to max out. Start off real, real light and master form, then begin to worry about weight. You'll thank me in the long run when you have a happy and healthy body.
     
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    please end yourself you ignorant son of a bitch

    for one thing...i was just giving examples of different workouts...if i want to bench then curl then move onto other things...then i can do so...its worked just fine for me...since when did you become the expert on weightlifting...o wait...youre NOT! so STFU!

    next...it is very crucial to know your max if youre going to workout properly...you dont just estimate...wtf kind of advice is that? youre the one that is going to get someone hurt...some people dont know how to fuckin estimate...so you and your buddies go into the gym...get on the bench...and spot each other...its not that fucking hard to bench press...it doesnt take hours on end to get the right form on the bench press.

    next...wtf are you talking about toning is a diet? holy shit dude...look at it this way...base the term toning on its definition for art...it has to do with shading...now look at someone who has TONED abs...you can see them very well because they protrude so much as show the shading...holy shit dude...youre ignorant as hell...if you do more reps it helps to make you cut which in turn tones your muscles...you are correct that they do effect muscular endurance i never said they dont help with endurance...thats a given...but if you want strength...you go with MORE weight and LESS reps...

    last...i didnt tell all of my workout routine now did i?...i only gave a few workouts...to get the guy started...of course i work my fucking back out...DUH!...wtf dude...and did i not mention the pull downs with the damn cord machine? that works out your upper back and shoulders...i work my middle back out with dumbells...i find a flat bench...and do the pull ups with the dumbells...i work my lower back out with back extensions and dead lifts...so dont go saying i dont work my back out when you have never worked out with me in your life...

    i also do many workouts with the big balls...helps to tone your abs and i do back workouts with them as well...

    o yea...and of course its also about eating right...everyone knows that...its just a matter of if they do it or not...and doing cardio workouts never hurt...anyways...nuff said bout that...
     
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    OK children lets keep this civil
     
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    "its not that fucking hard to bench press...it doesnt take hours on end to get the right form on the bench press."

    Actually it does.

    You still probably bench with improper form.

    If you'd like, there's a member of another forum Welcome to NASIOC.com - North American Subaru Impreza Owners Club - News, which is actually a subaru forum, that is a professional powerlifter that benches 700lbs. He'll tell you just how many people lift with improper form.

    But some rookie is going to talk smack to me about weight lifting, considering I've lifted for years and have taken numerous anatomy and physiology classes, along with researching the in's and out's for years, but please do lecture me.

    Yes, you can go from bench pressing to curling, you won't die. You will just be working out inefficiently and secretly having every veteran who knows what he or she is doing, looking at you, laughing, and snickering to yourself. Keep it up, its amusing for the gym rats to see guys like yourself come into the gym.

    Great starter routine to give, one that incorporates chest, biceps, and one shoulder press exercise - thats a solid routine. /sarcasm.

    Like I said, this board isn't the place to get info.

    You want a basic split?

    Monday:
    Chest/Tris

    Wednesday:
    Legs/Shoulders

    Friday:
    Back/Bi's.

    That 3day workout split known as a traditional split.

    There's other splits that are push/pull splits, where you pair all movements that are pushing with a movement thats pulling to keep your muscles balanced <which many "shade tree" lifters neglect to do, like those guys who always go to the gym and bench and curl, because they think it will make them look good. Completely ignoring all muscle imbalances and the idea that your body should be moving as one unit>

    There's also full body splits like HST (hypertrophy specific training) developed and used by a russian body builder. It incorporates various rep ranges to train for both muscular strength and muscular endurance.

    Hypertrophy-Specific Training : : Official Home of HST

    HST is all laid out for you there. Its a very solid routine, especially for someone who is new to lifting. It helps ensure that you're not neglecting body parts or strength or endurance. I use a custom variation of a full body workout similiar to this one.

    There's also 5day splits, that are one body part a day. This is the most ineffective split, in mine and many other's opinions, but some people feel the need to be in the gym lifting everyday and this workout allows for that.

    Also you have to be aware of "overtraining" which is detrimental to growth and strength. If you push yourself to failure too often and push too much, too hard, then not only can your muscles not recover but more importantly your central nervous system can't recover. You'll stop seeing gains and stagnant or even lose strength and mass, if you overtrain.

    But shit, I must not know what I'm talking about.

    Just like Blanco, I'll walk circles around you. Don't test me.
     
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    Oh, you mean someone like myself? You mean someone with sub 10% bodyfat? Oh yeah, I've done that doing 4rep sets with max weights and a proper diet. I've had a six after doing 20rep sets, I've had a six pack not lifting at all but only dieting. I've had a six pack from cardio. I had a girl I didn't know call me Peter Parker, as in spider man, over the summer last year because of the veins popping out of my arms.

    You know who else have veins popping out of their arms and are "toned"? Coke heads. You know why? Its not because of the reps that they do while in the gym, because I guarantee you most of them aren't hitting the gym, but rather its because of their "coke diet". Does this little analogy help characterize and illustrate the issue for you?

    I know what the term is supposed to mean, I also know that its a bunch of bullshit thats not supported by science. Its funny that my hole in the wall gym has a big poster hanging that says the Top Ten Myths of the Gym and toning is among the top 3. And the owner of the gym is a jabroni who probably hasn't worked out a day in his life.

    Look at what a google search brings me on the first result of toning + bodybuilding myth.

    Cutting Exercises: A Bodybuilding Myth?
    Bodybuilding.com - Chris Goulet - The Myth Of TONING!

    toning + bodybuilding myth - Google Search

    I promise I won't flog you like the uninformed, ignorant person you are, if you stop calling me names, okay?

    I bet you work out with the big balls. They're called "fitness balls" or "stability balls", there's other "balls" you might want to look into called "medicine balls" which are weighted and are very helpful while doing situps, crunches, back extensions, etc. to strengthen your core.

    Oh yeah, its about 90% eating right, 9% sleep/rest and 1% working out. If you don't do the other two, nothing else matters. You won't have the nutrients (complex carbohydrates, amino acids (proteins), healthy fats (monounsaturated fats) to build a good physique.

    Now run along.
     
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    this is what i do.

    in general, i do

    chest/back
    shoulders/lats
    bis/tris
     
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