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Originally posted by DarkHand@Jun 17 2004, 02:45 PM
Now if they were agnostic, they would see that the whole argument is dumb and they wouldn't care.
Originally posted by Blanco@Jun 17 2004, 03:12 PM
By forcing such people to say "God", you're forcing a religious belief on them. Pretty much what I said above.
"Publicly subsidized! Privately profitable!" That's the anthem of the upper-tier (the puppeteer untouchable). We focus a moment, nod in approval and bury our head back in the bar-codes of these neo-colonials while our former nemesis (ah, the romance!): the nation-state, now plays fund-raiser for a new brand of power-concentrate. Try again, but now we're confused- what is "class-war"? Is this class war? Yes, this is class war. And I'm just a kid- I can't believe that I gotta worry about this kind of shit! What a stupid world! Yeah, this is just beautiful... absolutely no regard for principle. What a stupid world. (We're): 1) born 2) hired 3) disposed! Where that job lands, everybody knows and you can tell by the smile on the CEO's that the environmental restraints are about to go. You can bet that laws will be set to ensure the benefit of unrestricted labor-laws (all kept in place by displaced government death squads). They own us. They produce us. They consume us. Can you fucking believe this? What a stupid world. Fuck this bullshit display of class-loyalties. The media and "our" leaders wrap it all up in a flag- their fucking shit-rag. hooray!
Originally posted by Import Builders@Jun 17 2004, 04:32 PM
I just want to know how we can never have another murder again, and live in peace, forever, racing our cars and raising our families in total peace. Thats all.
Originally posted by Frankie P.@Jun 18 2004, 01:52 AM
I haven't been on today, so I had to read a lot and there is a lot of things I disagreed and agreed with, but I am going to skip that Guy and Blanco are liberals and I disagree and just say this. With all this talk about the fist amendmant, isn't it a Christians/religios persons right to speak to you about their religion? I mean that is the 1st amendment, "FREDDOM OF SPEECH, RELIGION, PRESS..." I mean I do have the right to tell you to believe in God do I not, or is it wrong because by doing that I piss you off? Personally, the I see more harm in taking out "Under God" or any form of religion from our government. It looks like atheists are the ones trying to invoke their beliefs that no God actually exits. Lets change the name of Las Cruces, New Mexico because it means the crosses. HOW THE HELL is that invoking a religious belief? Mexicans founded that city and named it that for a reason. If I had the money and bought my own city built it from scratch and named it "Jesus Saves", Ca. is that invoking a religion? No, it is naming my city that I own.
I just don't understand why people get so upset with seperation from church is state? It is "wrong" to teach God in any way, shape or form. Yet, evolution is ok because it has been proven? I am sorry but there is no proof that I used to be a fucking fish, so teaching evolution is a violation of the constitution. It makes no sense why we can only stop teaching about "GOD." Every religion whether it be Christian, Atheist, Islamic wants to spread their word, because in their eyes it is "right." If you don't agree then don't go to church or pray or whatever that religion wants you to do, it is your "right" Leave things be the way they are, no one is being hurt, and if you are so worried that your kids will believe in God, teach them otherwise, but if they think that they have sufficient proof that there is a God, isn't it their right. You shouldn't hate a person your own child or a different person because they have a belief.
BTW, I just wanted to say God Bless, I will pray for you all. Remember the 1st amendment, I have that right.
What i am argueing is that your belief has no place in the pledge that is recited in public schools. Its a really easy concept to grasp, and you may understand it if you were to read the earlier posts and not simply disregard them because you think they are liberal. I know it is easier to maintain ignorance, but selectivly choosing what you read will only reify your position, and you can never hope to grow.
I know it is easier to maintain ignorance, but selectivly choosing what you read will only reify your position, and you can never hope to grow.
Since when does "Under God" mean Chrisianity? Simply because the G, is capitolized?
It looks like atheists are the ones trying to invoke their beliefs that no God actually exits.