AMM, you've made some points, and I'd like to respond in a civil manner. My time is valuable to me, and I have better things to do than argue over this. This will be my last response to you on these matters. What I have to say is fairly simple, and nothing you have said has even remotely knocked me off my game.
By the way, I sent you PMs and emails a long time ago (at least a week or two) saying, "hey, lets try to work together, the bickering on hondaswap is silly." I didn't call you names. I didn't criticize you. I don't recall saying much more than "we can do more working together than stepping on each other's toes." You have yet to respond.
1. In response to "You know, I'm still wondering where you got your info about me telling people the P28 couldn't be converted to work the IAB's. You guys BOTH have mentioned it, so let's see the link." I have a couple things to say. Show ME a link where you actually try to
help anyone try to add the functionality to a P28. I specifically recall you (and possibly pissedoffsol too) both saying that a P72 is required to run IABs, to which I posted a link to the Wiki information on this. Regardless, the person who figured this information out (Vernon Brunges, RaVeR Motorsports) shared it with me, and I shared it with the world on his behalf by posting it on the Wiki.
2. I can't be positive you didn't take a multimeter and trace the IAB signal line in a P28 since you don't share your wisdom with others, but I'm fairly certain that you wouldn't have had that information without the generousity and spirit of intellectual exchange at PGMFI. I'm going to make a presumption here. If I'm wrong, you can tell me and I will graciously apologize and stand corrected. I'm going to presume that you read the information on the Wiki about IAB conversion, and didn't figure it out yourself with a multimeter and your noggin. If this is true, I'm going to have to echo GimpyCivic's statement that you are an assclown because you try to sell a kid a service with information you got for free before trying to educate him first. If you had said, "You can learn here blah blah blah but if you don't want to solder it yourself, drop me an email." I would have nothing to say to you, and no complaint whatsoever with your actions.
3. Very specifically: I am not mad at you for chipping ECUs. I am not mad at you for using PGMFI tools in your ventures - if they've improved the quality of service you offer, that's great. I'm not mad at you for using information you learned at PGMFI for personal gain. I'm dissapointed with you for
selfishly hoarding information given to you for free in an attempt to make more money for yourself by keeping kids ignorant.
4. I chip ECUs for people. I used to charge $100, but I've gotten a lot better at soldering and as Dave J. (tungsten2k) said in that thread: "some of us don't have a sweet *ss desoldering station where the chips just jump off like you do dave so we can't match your pricepoint" ... I decided to charge $75 because its less work and I feel it is more fair to the customers to pass savings on down. I use the IAB info from PGMFI. I charge extra, for the transistors I had to special order(speaking of which AMM, if you need any SK5151s, hit me up.) I use crome or UberData to make chips. I was one of the first people selling the original version of UberData for Blake because I did not want one of the more gifted coders to wander by PGMFI to quit coding in his spare time and get a job at McDonalds so he had money for a turbo for his car! I plan fully on charging for a profit
for the site for the new boards allowing realtime changes to the car's program while it is running. By the way, the board design is there for free for you to download and look at it. I have at least 50 hours in it, but I'm not really that concerned if you or another selfish bastard tries to rip it off because I can guarantee you PGMFI can make them cheaper than anyone else. And we will. Point of this paragraph: I make money from chipping. I make money from making chips for people. I will be making money assembling surface mount RTP boards, and PGMFI will be making money from the sale of the boards / kits. I never said I didn't make money from this stuff. Take a look through this forum, and PGMFI and see how much effort I put forth to
help people who want to help themselves learn and compare that to your "pay me to do it for you" attitude. Take a look at how many programs I've made from people end up in the tuning section of PGMFI for everyone's benefit. Take a look at the new OBD0 boost code I posted (with full commented source) that is a quantum leap beyond the initial GhD/TE MAPhack bin, which represents at least 20 hours of my time. Take a look at
http://www.nitroburn.com/pgmfiwiki/index.p...onToECUChipping - an article I wrote for a friend's Car 'Zine to try to help educate people on how to chip ECUs themselves. Take another look at that thread where you call me a hypocrit, and see how much of a crybaby I am that Andy Jones decided to charge $25 less than I did, and got the business.
You know, I don't think myself, Vernon (who figured out the current method to add IAB control) or any of the other politically powerful members of PGMFI would care about you using the information for personal gain if you simply made an effort to educate those who wanted to learn on their own! As I'm sure you know, for every person who wants to learn about ECUs and chipping, there are at least a dozen who would rather pay someone else to do it for them. Sharing information on ECUs and management doesn't hurt your market significantly - it helps the honda community grow and develop beyond a bunch of "riceboys" more into a community where real tuning happens.
I started PGMFI around April of 02 because I was happy an excited to have a new hobby (cars - changed my first alternator in October '01, completed my first motor swap several months later) and I wanted to give something back to the honda (specifically: CRX) community that was so warm, welcoming and helpful to me in my infantile state. Being a computer geek, I thought that addressing the state of ECU tuning tools was something fairly unique that I could give back to the scene. With Zdyne Golds costing close to a grand, and boost-enabled Hondatas abbout the same, I knew my tasks. Witness, the birth of PGMFI, a site founded on open-source mentality code development and the free exchange of information. We're humans - there have been some really big bickering/arguments. I've done a decent amount of shady shit to get things to where they are at today. I've made more than a couple deals with the devil of one variety or another to get to where things are today. I also stood down as head Admin not too long ago, because I questioned whether my vision, judgement, ability to deal with users and problem solving skills were up to the task. :-/
Things have come a long way since the humble beginnings. As of two seconds ago, 1873 users are registered. 12,000 hits from 573 unique IPs on Friday,
not including the Wiki.
I bring all this history up so you can see where I am coming from. I am done arguing with you. It's not going to help either of us. I am going to continue trying to demystify ECUs and make quality tools and ROMs available, for free, for everyone to use. You can do what you want to. I really don't care. The only thing you stand to lose at this point is my respect. If it's valuable to you, so be it. If not, whatever. In the wise words of an early mentor, the comedian Dennis Leary: "Fuck him, throw him in the fire, more meat for the other meat eaters. RAAAAAAAA!"
Live free or die.
That's all I got to say.