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yea, a book and it got considered a weapon. kid ended up having to do 2 years (i think that was his bid) because the guy he beat with it suffered from a broken cheek bone and claimed partial loss of sight.
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Vigilante justice is illegal in America
Originally posted by Blanco@Jul 1 2005, 09:23 PM
This guy deserves to do time for using a weapon when there was no need for one. The reason he had to defend himself was putting himself into the situation. The intentional blow to the head dictates that.
Like I said, if you have to use a bat you're a pussy.
You know what this is going to teach thugs, Brian? To carry guns with them when they go to steal cars so they can shoot gung-ho idiots with baseball bats.
People with the prevailing attitude of this topic are no better than the criminals that they complain about, in fact they're worse because they pretend to use the law as their basis. If you're going to claim to "defend" yourself, you really owe it to yourself to actually learn self defense.
Originally posted by 92b16vx@Jul 1 2005, 12:45 PM
I know self defense, but why on earth would I risk defending myself from attacker by fistfighting them, when I can put two in their chest? Put myslef MORE in harms way so I can say I beat their asses with honor or some shit? Hell no! If it comes down to a hand to hand, I'll give it what I got, but if I can avoid potentially losing a fight against an aggressor by using a weapon, than I'm all for self preservastion.
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Originally posted by Slammed89Integra@Jul 1 2005, 10:11 PM
Exactly. How do you attack someone when you're running away and tripping on the ground? Is that your idea of an attack? Do you feel that you're in harms way chasing someone down with a baseball bat and hitting them when they fall to the ground? I'd hope not.
From what you and brian are saying is that if anyone looks at you wrong and you feel "threatened" or whatever you have the "god given" "american" "whatever motherfucking" right to shoot/beat/whatever them because they could have "potentially" stolen a possesion of yours.
Looks like you guys are quite materialistic if it deems it acceptable to beat someone if they were possibly going to steal your car/whatever.
Originally posted by Blanco
Willfully walking into a violent situation kills any "self defense" argument you might have had,
Why would you want to fight off an attacker with your bare hands? Because you won't always have a weapon at your beckon call.
What happens when you get that bat taken away from you?
"Protect life, even that of an enemy". That means, don't kill someone when a maiming will do the job.
Who made you judge, jury, and executionor? Who made him?
We should be adopting the philosphies of the Middle East instead of shoving ours down their throats.
Originally posted by Blanco@Jul 2 2005, 01:08 AM
Welcome back to the real world. He ran outside with a bat to "defend" his car. That's putting yourself in a violent situation. He didn't just stop them, he assaulted them with intent to do greivous bodily harm. That's a crime. I thought you didn't like criminals? This guy just seems like a wannabe' thug to me.
Why do you have to beat people with a weapon? Becuase you can't fight?
So hitting people in the head with a bat is going to make things all better? Like I said, welcome back to the real world where killing everything that moves isn't really an option. People like you are the reason why there are laws against vigilantism.
You took that completely out of context, but I'll put it back into the context that you're using. He hit him in the fucking head with a bat. Why is it difficult for you to understand that that's illegal and taking an asskicking way too far? Did you just kill too many people to give a fuck about human life anymore?
once again....read aboveAnd you'll do your time as well. Again, you're no better than a criminal with your mindset. And again, people like you are the reason for laws against vigilantism.
Again, you failed to see an easy point. I'm sorry that I clicked on this topic again.
Originally posted by 92b16vx+Jun 30 2005, 04:24 PM-->Fuck em, they came to steal a car, they said that, and they got what they deserved. I have 0, none, nil, nada pity or sympathy for a fucking thief. HEll I wish America would be like Turkey and cut your fucking hand off for stealing.
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Originally posted by Blanco@Jun 30 2005, 05:44 PM
Hitting a person in the head with a baseball bat is NOT justice, that's vigilatnism. I hope this guy goes down, hard. Send a message to all of you that think this is an appropriate response. Using a weapon is going too far. If you can't fight hand to hand in America, you're a fucking pussy and you deserve to have that weapon taken away from you and shoved up your ass.
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Blanco, although I believe your message, we can't all be 6'3" 250 pound, martial arts trainers and philosophers. I have some of your training, but we can't expect that of average Joe.
Originally posted by pissedoffsol@Jun 30 2005, 10:40 PM
Originally posted by Blanco@Jun 30 2005, 06:44 PM
Hitting a person in the head with a baseball bat is NOT justice, that's vigilatnism. I hope this guy goes down, hard. Send a message to all of you that think this is an appropriate response. Using a weapon is going too far. If you can't fight hand to hand in America, you're a fucking pussy and you deserve to have that weapon taken away from you and shoved up your ass.
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fuck that.
3 thieves are in my yard, i'm going out with either a bat, a 4-cell mag light, or a strut bar.
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Many martial arts teach us to use our surroundings to our advantage. A good person should always use the best advantage.
Originally posted by 92b16vx@Jul 1 2005, 04:40 AM
Originally posted by Blanco@Jun 30 2005, 11:44 PM
Hitting a person in the head with a baseball bat is NOT justice, that's vigilatnism. I hope this guy goes down, hard. Send a message to all of you that think this is an appropriate response.
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I'd rather send the message out that if you try to steal shit your going to get your skull caved in. I couldn't careless about whether the guy used a bat or his fist, it wasn't a dick swinging contest, the guys were there to steal a car(s). If the guy had gone in galantly swinging his fist and gotten shot, what then?
Plain and simple, you don't like the consequences of stealing, don't fucking steal. Fuck em.
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I like the way you think John. I have no ill will against ANY race, with exeption to the thieving kind with no respect for society's rules. Even crackheads don't want to die. It's a good system, since I don't want to kill.
Celerity@Jul 1 2005, 07:49 AM
Protecting a clan, not just your own, but an innocent being stalked upon is also a cornerstone in martial arts / eastern clan charters. Protecting your car isn't worth bashing a head in, but getting criminals out of your neighborhood is.
Conflict is a 3 dimensional plain - Your side, Their Side and the Truth. Observance is the 4th dimension of perspective. Pro-basebat people view the situation from a different angle than anti-baseball bat people.
I, for one, am anti-baseball bat. Here is why: A baseball bat is wielded for games. Tire-irons for changing tires. To protect a group or small society of people from danger and harm, you should either be able to make a diffident stand against the group with your hands - And if you aren't able to stand against a large force majeure, Use a firearm.
This guy is prolly going to hang for this. If he had proper defense training or even a good lawyer he might not, but not many lawyers are prepared to defend a client who has used an instrument in a manner of defense.
Sorry if this is incoherent, I'm at work and I'm running a ton of server apps at the same time.
-> Steve
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Originally posted by 92b16vx+Jul 1 2005, 01:34 PM-->Slammed89Integra@Jul 1 2005, 10:11 PM
Exactly. How do you attack someone when you're running away and tripping on the ground? Is that your idea of an attack? Do you feel that you're in harms way chasing someone down with a baseball bat and hitting them when they fall to the ground? I'd hope not.
I'm sure they were just fleeing for their lives
From what you and brian are saying is that if anyone looks at you wrong and you feel "threatened" or whatever you have the "god given" "american" "whatever motherfucking" right to shoot/beat/whatever them because they could have "potentially" stolen a possesion of yours.
I am an Atheist, and have lived in Germany for over five years And I am saying that if someone were to threaten me, or try to take something that I have worked my fucking ass off for, yes, they would be in a world of shit.
Looks like you guys are quite materialistic if it deems it acceptable to beat someone if they were possibly going to steal your car/whatever.
Looks like you are ready to be walked all over by freeloading thieving thugs, that think they can intimidate and take whatever they want. They are your cities, take them back from the criminals, amke your living space safer, fuck the PC pacifist bullshit, fuck criminals. It isn't about materialism, it's about intrusion into my fucking life.
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Originally posted by Slammed89Integra@Jul 2 2005, 07:49 AM
So every punk kid and person that has been possibly on the prawl to steal an object you fucking worked your ass for gives you the right to hit in the head with a bat when they fall down and are defenseless? :blinks: Are you even reading what you're writing? It isn't pacifist bull shit, its judgement. It is showing everyone that you don't care about them and you can take out vengeance for a possible, not exact theft of your crap. That's fucking horrible if you ask me, becuase that same system you live your life around is anarchy, the same thing you fight against.
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