oh boy, here we go.... lol
How the fuck can someone who has purchased, and then proceeds to sell other people on the same, 17mpg 4 cylinder , going to then turn around and bad mouth Bush ? You're Really, really, really, braindead.
i don't put the two together.
The car- is bad ass. i'd recommend it to anyone. This is hondaswap.com. we like performance. this is not insightcentral.com were theres weekly comps as to who can net 90mpg for a whole tank. Find me ONE post where i bitched about gas prices. I have STATED that i paid 2.99 to fill up the other day-- but did i bitch about it? nope. Frankly, I don't really care. the 15-20 bucks more it costs me is not something i'm going to lose sleep over. i'm not pov.
Bush- is a fucking retard. but there's enough threads on that aleady here....
I'd pay good money to see Paul Sr. from OCC get into a debate with Bush.
that could quite possibly be the funniest shit, ever.
2 retarded, stubourn fucks who don't have a clue trying to prove their point.
how's it go? What was is was and what is is is, and what is is now ... or some shit?
You're going to bash SUV drivers and then abandon your fuel-efficient and earth-friendy Honda for your 17 mpg status-wagon..... and then come here and fucking whine that Bush and Cheney are ruining the world ?
i don't bash suv drivers because they don't get good gas mileage-- i bash them because not a single one of them can fucking drive the thing-- and more so, less than .25 of 1% of the population actually use them for what they were made for. Off roading.
MY car was built for rally, but has been derrived for pavement here in the states. I've raced it at autox... i've ripped it through the northwest corner plenty of times. I've used it was it was intended... maybe up to 20-30% of the time. a far cry from .25%
The same people who think that SUV owners are retarded for thinking that they are safer in a 17 mpg Ute, and then go on about how dangerous Motorcycles are ?
suvs are FAR safer than bikes. sure, they roll over daily... but i know a HELL of a lot more people who have dumped/crashed/or been killed on a bike, and i can't name you one that i know whos rolled an SUV.
You guys need a fuckin reality check.
enlighten me, oh master of reality....
They are selling our oil, and buying this world-wide OPEC (And friends) shit oil. It's oil that comes from under the thumbs of the most ruthless dictators, kings, and terrorist factions of the world. We seem to keep them in business.
For an explanation of why, Allow me to take you down the yellow brick road of John Kerry.
i'll stop you right there.
I've read that total US holdings excede 30 years at current consumption. Now, this is just what we have in the earth in texas and such... i don't knwo if it includes alaska or not..
be that as it may-
All we have to do, is STOP buying oil from opec/middle east for 2 years.
we have PLENTY to hold us over.
and when the middle east starves because they have nothing to export, they will lower their prices DRASTICALLY to eat.
that, or bomb us or some shit... fucking pussies. but anyway...
stop buying for 2 years, we drop our supply to 28 years left...
if shit goes sour and we have 5 more years of negotiations-- so be it. theres still plenty of oil left.
how is this not practical?
fuck the exports. let THEM deal with opec if they want it. I'm sure the proft margin isn't huge on that.
Kerry wanted to keep our US oil in US hands. He was pushing to avoid foreign oils (Not completely ban them, but he did want to reduce our demand) and make our US suppliers sell to US interests. This would make fuel about $4 a gallon right now.
maybe i shouldn't have stopped you.... because this is what i just said.
But how do you figure it would automatically make it $4 a gallon? we already have it. its just sitting there.
what does buying from another country have to do with prices of an invientory that already exists have anything to do with it?
I don't buy this.
The only way it would go to $4 a gallon would be if the owners of said oil companies made it that way- or the feds taxed it that way.
And even still.... $1 more a gallon, to put those towel headed fucks in check would be so worth it to me... and probably a good portion of americans.
Now, I want you to imagine two oil companies. Exxon / Mobil, and Citgo. Citgo buys it's oil from US reserves, and Exxon / Mobil buys it's oil from foreign lands. The foreign lands are still getting oil out of the ground for $40 a barrel. They, in turn are selling it remarkably cheaper than Citgo is. You don't need to be a brain surgeon to see where this is going.
looks like your exxon statement is correct, but it looks like shitgo buyers from south america.
http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2005/06/318554.shtml
So Kerry dictates that US oil companies are to co-own platforms and oil fields. They are to make the same product and sell for the same prices. And that, is communism. You can't have a free market if companies simply aren't allowed to compete or make their own money. Oil companies would be stupid to continue buying from US oil fields.
agreed.
who ever owns it should sell it for what they want-- within fed guidelines (just like power) to a distributor.
So Kerry plays into the OPEC thing to keep prices down, and touts his "anti-inflation bills" that reward new business and reward new alternative fuel R&D. This is his plan, I'm not extropolating here. He drives up prices to peak in order to make Alternative fuels more promising and more investment worthy. And we, in September of 2005, are paying $8 a gallon for fuel. The OPEC lines have been freed up so that China is no longer buying oil from the US and Russia, and they are now paying $.50 , USD, for a gallon of gas. Suddenly China peaks out - They can commute to new, more promising jobs in the cities. Their economy picks up and they fill the gap in the OPEC lines to drive the prices right back up to beyond where they are now. China is just an example, this type of phenomonen happens world-wide.
from an investment point of view, thats not a bad idea.
its what they are doing with cigarettes... they are trying to make them not affordable so less people smoke.
to an extent, its worked... i think less kids are starting now-a-days... but the rest of us who have been smoking for 8+ years don't give a shit and will buy regardless. i remember paynig $1.80 for marlboros' and the vedning machines were $2. and no one bought from the machine because it was so much more expensive.
this was 1997.
amazing how things change, huh?
but anyway... the whole kerry thing driving up to 8/gallon i think COULD be a good idea- it's just premature. we aren't ready for it yet.
and you agree.....
So now we are investing in alternative fuel sources because of the rally in our usual markets. And we push to a completely new layout of US Infrastructure pumping where our most promising fuel of the day - Hydrogen - Is now installed in US refueling stations. And where is the Hydrogen going to come from ? It's going to come from electrolysis plants that are powered by fossil fuels, coal, or if we are lucky - electrohydraulics. The Hydrogen market becomes the new Dot-Com, and it's a false feeling of cheap fuels that will ultimately crash, leaving us 2 levels deep into a transportation nightmare.
This was the Republican counter-argument for this plan. A complete break down in the next few years.
the dotcom boom was a flop because everyone and their mother thought they could make a profit out of it... so they started businesses. if everyone and their mother is opening up hydrogen plants, i'm moving to antartica.
What our government is doing now is locking in our bids to be a world-competitive buyer in the oil markets. If we back out, someone will step forward to take our place and when we return to the market, there won't be room for us. This is where China is right now. There simply isn't room for them to work this market.
Remember back during the elections when I made a post that explained: "If you vote for Bush, you will make our gas dependencies long and drawn out - But if you vote for Kerry you will get the high prices over with quickly"? Well this is the heart of both plans.
The only answer comes down to where you decide to buy gas, what car you decide to drive, and how you decide to drive / modify it. If YOU work away from the goal of economical and efficient cars, the YOU are the blame for the problem.
It's that simple.
on the other hand, i can say that everyone who commutes miles and miles to work is the problem.
I can WALK to work in under 30 min.
I usually don't finish a cigarette in the morning on the drive in, tossing it at the front door of my building before going in.
In the winter, my car is just STARTING to get heat by the time i'm parking.
so sure, i drive a non-economic vehicle.
but if i wanted to, i could only drive 6 miles a day, round trip. or, if i wasn't a lazy ass, i could walk or ride my bike every day. i don't HAVE to buy a DROP of gas.
I CHOOSE to, because i enjoy driving. And frankly, i'd pay $25 a gallon to still drive on a regular basis. it's a part of my life.
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