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Battle Pope
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I would call it "let's toil around trying to live in a country that is slowly returning to a theocracy".
As I said, Sabz. The Resistance is alive and well.
As I said, Sabz. The Resistance is alive and well.
Slammed90Lude
Senior Member
Direct violation of the constitution. No one should stand for that, not even the bible slinging christian extremists in the South. And even myself, as a christian, I think that's fucking ridiculous. First gay books, and then what? Are there going to have straight only drinking fountains and restaurants?
It seems that it so many ways, we're going backwards. I'm ready to just say fuck them all, take the old lady, buy some property and build a cabin. The world and where it's heading is really quite disturbing
It seems that it so many ways, we're going backwards. I'm ready to just say fuck them all, take the old lady, buy some property and build a cabin. The world and where it's heading is really quite disturbing
Battle Pope
Well-Known Member
IMO, it just goes to show you how the current system of power has turned the constitution into nothing more than a piece of paper with some loose guidelines on it. The Constitution holds no water anymore. The principle rights and benefits that our founding fathers bestowed upon us as a country have been all but nullified by the extreme right and left wings. Lawyers are now the only weapon we have in defense of our rights. Mark my words - there will be change. Drastic change.
"It's my opinion that Christianity has been responsible for a vast amount of suffering in this world and isn't even the same thing that Jesus taught."
I'll agree with that. The vast majority of 'christianity' doesn't follow what Jesus taught. Including homosexuality.
Am I for the banning of gay books? No. Everyone has a right to do their own thing as long as it doesn't infringe on my rights. But do I think homosexuality is right? No. If you want to live that way, do it but don't tell me about it.
I'll agree with that. The vast majority of 'christianity' doesn't follow what Jesus taught. Including homosexuality.
Am I for the banning of gay books? No. Everyone has a right to do their own thing as long as it doesn't infringe on my rights. But do I think homosexuality is right? No. If you want to live that way, do it but don't tell me about it.
formby
learning in progress
........nothing is the way it seems in this world...let them ban what ever they want.....they probably wont pass the bill and if they do the people of the state have to vote.... i dont have anything against gay people but ..i think being gay is not an ethical lifestyle...its like having sex with animals or relatives....and yes you do choose to be gay....everything in life is a choice..you are not born a fat ass but if you eat alot and dont exersize you will get fat.....
94RedSiGal
Senior Member
As pointed out on another board, these forums are a great way to vent about our issues with day to day life. As with Blanco, it real life I am pretty easy-going (just don't fuck with my cars!) and the only people who know that I am an atheist are my closest buddies. I don't feel the need to tell strangers and casual friends my personal beliefs. I think that America overall is a great place to leave and in general, everyone should have the freedoms to do what they want.... as long as it doesn't impact another person negatively or upset their sense of personal values. I especially don't discuss being atheist with Christians, I don't feel the need to upset them or to try to convert them to my side. I think that we are all aware of Christianity and the other religions, so really there is no need to come knocking at my door with pamplets or accost me on the sidewalk.
My parents raised me right and I DO help people all of the time without needing a god or a book to tell me that I should. I don't need the ten commandments to tell me not to kill or steal.
And in real life, there are no atheist groups to voice our opinions in, not that I need for there to be. Who wants more noise pollution or eye spam over this basic personal shit. I just want people to keep their religious views to themselves, keep it within their churches and amongst their family and close friends. At least there is the ACLU to keep an eye on things.
So... I come to vent a little on the boards. Just like others post about their car accidents or other grievances. Part of Bush's re-election stance was that his administration can keep our country safer. However I do feel strongly otherwise since his administration likes to emphasize how Christian our country is.
And please just let people of the gay persuasion be. Being gay is not a new occurance, they have been around for centuries, if not all along. Gayness has even been observed in other animals like chimpanzees. Gays and lesbians have a valid lifestyle and I have no problems with them wanting to be Christian or be married. Gay people are not contagious. Knowing one won't make a straight person turn into one. After banning the books, we can start hiding any artwork that may have been made by gay or bisexual artists. I think that a lot of Greek statues will have to be removed from public view. So yeah, some of these Christian groups need to chill out and stay the fuck out of our bedrooms and bookshelves.
My parents raised me right and I DO help people all of the time without needing a god or a book to tell me that I should. I don't need the ten commandments to tell me not to kill or steal.
And in real life, there are no atheist groups to voice our opinions in, not that I need for there to be. Who wants more noise pollution or eye spam over this basic personal shit. I just want people to keep their religious views to themselves, keep it within their churches and amongst their family and close friends. At least there is the ACLU to keep an eye on things.
So... I come to vent a little on the boards. Just like others post about their car accidents or other grievances. Part of Bush's re-election stance was that his administration can keep our country safer. However I do feel strongly otherwise since his administration likes to emphasize how Christian our country is.
And please just let people of the gay persuasion be. Being gay is not a new occurance, they have been around for centuries, if not all along. Gayness has even been observed in other animals like chimpanzees. Gays and lesbians have a valid lifestyle and I have no problems with them wanting to be Christian or be married. Gay people are not contagious. Knowing one won't make a straight person turn into one. After banning the books, we can start hiding any artwork that may have been made by gay or bisexual artists. I think that a lot of Greek statues will have to be removed from public view. So yeah, some of these Christian groups need to chill out and stay the fuck out of our bedrooms and bookshelves.
I'll assume you're referring 1 Tim. 2:11,12. It applies to the teaching of a congergation or church to that of a man. There are very many accounts from Paul where he talks about women, and not in a negative light. If you want me to cite them, I will but I'm too lazy right now.
Everyone uses that as an excuse.
Is it natural or normal for some people to have gay thoughts? Yes, it is. Is it correct to act on those thoughts? That depends on your morals and beliefs.
It's not like a homosexual can't stop themselves.
There are people more prone to being gay than others. Is it heredity? Absolutely not, or else there wouldn't be any homosexuals in the world. They would've died out. Upbringing has a lot to do with it.
Everyone has a choice to make.
94RedSiGal: Since you had "Atheist" under your moniker for about a month, I guess that makes all of us some of your closest friends.
As for the orignal topic of this thread:
Banning ANY book is stupid. Especially using the criteria of "gayness".
However, hating all Christians for the actions of a few is equally asanine.
Fanatical Christians are like people that know a plane is crashing when no one else does. They try to get you to wear a parachute and jump out into thin air because they KNOW the plane is going to crash and you will die unless you do what they ask. Sure they are annoying but they are sincere in what they believe.
I agree that fanatics of any religion are a concern. We're fighting some in a war right now (as a matter of historical fact, we've been doing so for centuries just not under an official declaration).
As for Christian fanatics that want to ban books or shoot Abortion doctors or stand on a street corner telling you you're going to Hell; I think they do far more harm than good. Personally, I think that Jesus was the example and He didn't exhibit any of that type behavior. Those that do so in His name do so at their own eternal peril....in my opinion.
I have a diferent theory for Conservatives becoming more popular of late (you know, not all conservatives are Christian by the way). As I have said before, the majority of America is moderate leaning right. They are becoming increasingly tired of the right speaking for them on issues that affect us all. The same complaint most of you have about zealot Christians could be leveled right back at you.
If you want to be gay/atheist/liberal/a socialist/global whiner keep it to yourself and stop telling me that I am wrong and have to accept your ideology.
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As for the orignal topic of this thread:
Banning ANY book is stupid. Especially using the criteria of "gayness".
However, hating all Christians for the actions of a few is equally asanine.
Fanatical Christians are like people that know a plane is crashing when no one else does. They try to get you to wear a parachute and jump out into thin air because they KNOW the plane is going to crash and you will die unless you do what they ask. Sure they are annoying but they are sincere in what they believe.
I agree that fanatics of any religion are a concern. We're fighting some in a war right now (as a matter of historical fact, we've been doing so for centuries just not under an official declaration).
As for Christian fanatics that want to ban books or shoot Abortion doctors or stand on a street corner telling you you're going to Hell; I think they do far more harm than good. Personally, I think that Jesus was the example and He didn't exhibit any of that type behavior. Those that do so in His name do so at their own eternal peril....in my opinion.
I have a diferent theory for Conservatives becoming more popular of late (you know, not all conservatives are Christian by the way). As I have said before, the majority of America is moderate leaning right. They are becoming increasingly tired of the right speaking for them on issues that affect us all. The same complaint most of you have about zealot Christians could be leveled right back at you.
If you want to be gay/atheist/liberal/a socialist/global whiner keep it to yourself and stop telling me that I am wrong and have to accept your ideology.
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Originally posted by Kcihcaton@Dec 2 2004, 06:37 PM
Does the dotted underline mean that person is currently writing a post?
Cuz it looks like Prowler is about to write a novel.
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yes that's what it means.
i didn't write a lot because i'm in the middle of cooking dinner
takes time to properly make hamburger helper
Really, it wont matter even if they do ban those books. The supreme court (at least the current one) will overrule the decision, whithout a second thought. Even though there may be conservative judges, that doesnt necessarially mean they are idiots. The people starting this crap know the eventual outcome as well; but more than anything this is their call to arms to draw the nutty snake handling freaks out of the woodwork. They will use this situation as yet another example of "persecution" against christians.
Want to be scared? try watching these tv shows that these fundamentalist preachers have on, specifically pay attention to Jack Van Impe, Jerry Fallwell, and Pat Robertson (and in print James Dobson). These guys are not only nutty, but command a huge following of devoted patrons. We say this is the vocal majority, but these fundamentalists are doing all that they can to change the social climate of America to facilitate mass acceptance of their views. We as a nation could be on the short path to something analogous to the Taliban. I hope it never comes to that, because i shudder to think about what fanatics with ICBMs are capable of.
Want to be scared? try watching these tv shows that these fundamentalist preachers have on, specifically pay attention to Jack Van Impe, Jerry Fallwell, and Pat Robertson (and in print James Dobson). These guys are not only nutty, but command a huge following of devoted patrons. We say this is the vocal majority, but these fundamentalists are doing all that they can to change the social climate of America to facilitate mass acceptance of their views. We as a nation could be on the short path to something analogous to the Taliban. I hope it never comes to that, because i shudder to think about what fanatics with ICBMs are capable of.
Originally posted by Prowler+Dec 2 2004, 04:45 PM-->@Dec 2 2004, 06:37 PM
Does the dotted underline mean that person is currently writing a post?
Cuz it looks like Prowler is about to write a novel.Â
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yes that's what it means.
i didn't write a lot because i'm in the middle of cooking dinner
takes time to properly make hamburger helper
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That's what I figured right after I posted that.
The best kind of hamburger helper is the pork helper fried rice!
Not to be way off topic or anything...
Totally wrong. If it were as you describe it, then a person toeing the line of the extreme right would have not had a chance at all of being elected president. You have to remember, many moderate republicans were also for Kerry ( the American conservative magizine's support for Kerry). I think more than anything the imagined popularity of the "left" is an attempt to draw conservatives into a solid group. I think under normal circumstances, most republicans (who are for limited government) would want to distance themselves as far from the neo-cons and the religious right (both prefer government involvement in issues that they have problems with) as possible. Beyond being driven into the defensive I cant imagine why typical republicans would have anything to do with those extremists, Just as Typical Democrats would distance themselves from those who promote pure socialism.
Sabz5150
FALCON PUNCH!!!
And if you want to be Christian, keep it to yourself and don't knock on my door at 9am on a Saturday morning proclaiming salvation. And stop telling me that I'm wrong and have to accept your ideology.
Did we ever say you must be gay or liberal? Not at all. However Christianity has been shoving it's ideals down the throats of the world for CENTURIES. Did you know that there are only six written texts in existance from the Mayan civilization? Wanna know why? The Christians burned them because they were "the devil's words" and wanted to force the Mayans to convert. They burned their civilization's entire history right in front of them.
I don't see gays having a bible burning fest.
If you want us to leave you alone, best learn to leave us alone first.
94RedSiGal
Senior Member
What we all really need to do is practice tolerance of every else's religions, ideas and sexual persuasion. Live and let live. Stop trying to change others to your own ways. Many primitive cultures would have been better off left alone, rather than subjected to Christian missionaries, outside diseases (like smallpox) and discovering that their baskets aren't good enough to be traded for advanced technologies like our tv's.
There is a sign on the Mass Pike in front of one of the state police barracks saying "god bless America". My first choice would be not to have that sign there at all, but my second thought is to have a sign that says "allah blesses America" next to it... along with signs representing the other beliefs.
I found this pie chart of the different religions and how it's divided up in the world. More emphasis should be placed on the commonalities of all the different groups rather than focusing on the differences. And Americans should stop be so patronizing and thinking that they know better than anyone else on politics, morals and whatever. Not every country can function as a democracy. And there are many reasons why past civilizations have fallen, it's not all about religion.
There is a sign on the Mass Pike in front of one of the state police barracks saying "god bless America". My first choice would be not to have that sign there at all, but my second thought is to have a sign that says "allah blesses America" next to it... along with signs representing the other beliefs.
I found this pie chart of the different religions and how it's divided up in the world. More emphasis should be placed on the commonalities of all the different groups rather than focusing on the differences. And Americans should stop be so patronizing and thinking that they know better than anyone else on politics, morals and whatever. Not every country can function as a democracy. And there are many reasons why past civilizations have fallen, it's not all about religion.
How can any one no matter how christian they are be debating this here. That is like lets ban every book that has murder, theft ect, even if they protray it in a negative way. Oceans 11 and 12, snatch, italian job, ect all protray theft as a cool thing. Are we going to ban these movies too because they are making the world a bad place. Hell no. Murder, violence, rape, and theft are ok but not books about gays? That is bull shit. Does that mean that "Will and Grace" will no longer be aired in alabama?
94RedSiGal
Senior Member
Well I do have a few people on this board that I am close to, and I felt that since the Christian presence on this small board was so vocal, I wanted to make my feelings known also. I have never addressed you personally as being wrong in ideology or having to accept my beliefs. It's more a response what you and Prowler can be predicted to take a stand on on any given topic which also mirrors what the conservative Republicans have been preaching in the elections and in regards to the war in Iraq. The more vocal the Christians get in our government in terms of the god bless and god is with us shit, the more the rest of us are put in danger from fanatical terrorists. In addition, for those Americans who practice other religions, they feel more uncomfortable living in this country just being themselves. We are supposed to be having a separation of church and state anyway. And also Christians like to say that those who are not practicing Christians are amoral, something that pisses me and other non-Christians off. The vocal Christians in the media are not helping our country, just alienating the rest of us and causing more resentments and enemies against Americans in the international community. And that resentment and hate is being unfairly directed at us non-Christian Americans. So I object to that.
problem with a lot of Christians is that they want to follow Christ's last commandant, The Great Commission. Go forth unto all the world...
I prefer to discuss my beliefs only with those that come asking. However, it's hard to stay quiet when others are being so vocal and giving ideas or opinions that have no basis in logic or fact.
Sure people have done twisted things in God's name, like blowing up buildings with airplanes, strapping explosives to their bodies and blowing up children and others in a market place, running cars laden w/ explosives into barricks, boats filled w/ explosives into ships at port, etc, etc, etc. But like the bumper sticker says, "Don't blame God for the things that people do."
Don't think I'm gonna defend their actions or those people you refer to. However, I know of a personal relationship with a loving God that has all of our best interest at heart. If you make the choice not to beleive, that's fine and I believe your eternal problem. But stop telling me I'm stupid just because I don't agree with you.
Again, using Christ as the example, I can't be tolerant of other religions that are in direct contrast with what I believe to be the soveriegn, omnipotent God. You know, "No one comes to the Father but through me" and all that?