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how bush is screwing us part duex

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  1. pissedoffsol

    pissedoffsol RETIRED

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  2. VTECin5th

    VTECin5th Administrator

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    I really don't think it's anything new. I'm sure everything has always been recorded/traced on who we call and when. I really don't care either way.
     
  3. Capt. Orygun

    Capt. Orygun Win the Day

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    it tracks phone calls between one number and another, similar to a phone bill. They don't even listen in

    If your not calling terrorists I wouldn't lose any sleep over it....
     
  4. reckedracing

    reckedracing TTIWWOP VIP

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    thats what they say...
    and last time they told us they were only tracking phone calls that go form within the US to outside the US, now we find out diffrently

    is that you stalin?
     
  5. pissedoffsol

    pissedoffsol RETIRED

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    I work in a call center.

    the law states that if a call is to be recorded, that both parties are aware of this fact.

    that is why when you call 1800-yourproduct you get the IVR that says "your call may be monitored or recorded...."


    i guess our own goverment is above our own laws.... again.
     
  6. reikoshea

    reikoshea HS Troll...And Mod Moderator VIP

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    it doesnt work that way in TX :) only one party has to know.

    (i used to work in the call center that is JUST on the other side of my 'office')
     
  7. pissedoffsol

    pissedoffsol RETIRED

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    wrong.

    http://www.rcfp.org/taping/



    Anyone else?
     
  8. Havok

    Havok Senior Member

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    Bring it on, conservative rednecks, let's see what you've got.
     
  9. Airjockie

    Airjockie Watanabe Whore!!!

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    I don't see why your pissed off or scared of this...if that system was in affect 4.5 years ago..then 3000+ Americans in the WTC would still be alive, and the 2000+ GI's over in the other countries wouldn't be dead. Now, you got to look at the bigger picture. Whats the USA's current poppulation?, Each person makes at least 1-3, or even 5 phone calls a day...and how many people are actually listening in to what your saying on the phone? How many listeners are employed by the Government to do that task? You'd have better luck winning the lottery than to have been spied on by big brother.

    These post's on Bashing Bush, would also be the same posts if the other guy was in office...we elected him, we have to live with him. So far, how has his presidency really effected you? Not a damn bit. If the other guy was in office...it would still be the same. Complain about gas, complain about war, complain about person privacy....complain, complain, complain....Stop complaining...if you don't like...then do something about it. Look at me...I complain about not having enough money to buy a car, or get something nice for the wife...but I work my ass of to get it.... if I can't get it, then screw it...I didn;t need it anyway, or the wife's presents will have to wait later.

    We are still American. We still are a brand of people that are mixed in the huge pot and set to simmer. Race, coler, wealth...were all still the same...event the illegals...they want to join in the group, but nothing is going to happen if everyone complains all the time. Complaints don't do jack shit...ACTION does. At least Bush is sparking the action. We had a group of people try to do as much damage to us in the form of terroism...our action...was to go out and put a damn war on it and them...

    It is impossible to get everyone to be happy and safe...if your not happy, then do something about it...but at least we are in a simi-quazie state of safedome...it could last a while, or we could have another attack tommorrow.. Unless your in the higher up of this society, your not going to know .15% of what is actually being done by our government...and there are somethings that you really don't want to know. We are pawns...and thats life...if you don't like it, then try to get up the ladder, and become a rook, or a knight...or even queen or king...but don't just sit there and complain....that just belittles you....

    We are all smart, we all have our little quirks, and we all have problems. But we do have one thing in common....we are still alive. Now open your eyes...your sitting infront of a computer right now, prolly sipping on a corona like me, or sitting in a heated or air-conditioned room, with power, lights, som radio playing, your driving to work in a car, your eating till your full everyday, sometimes 3 times a day, you have clean water to drink and shower in, your cloths have that Downey fresh smell, and your cat or dog has just finishered ther bowl of grub that you gave them. Your about to call your buddy on the cell phone to see what they are doing tonight, and you might have the urge to go find some activity to make your dismal life more pleasurable. You know in your heart that your safe, you can afford decent medical attention if something happens, or if your family wants to have a little get together to grill up some steaks for the weekend. You've had the decent life of being an American. Sure...part of that is paying for taxes, working for a living, struggling to get to that point of feeling that your almost secure in your stage of life, and that your setting something in the bank for your future for you to have so when you get old, you'll have something to enjoy or kick back and live the remainder of your life with.

    Well.......Snap out of it bucko....we got it made compaired to the other 75% of the worlds human inhabitants. Think about it.....

    Other countries have no real food, they have epidemics....people are starving in some countries....is that Bushes Fault?

    20% of the world still doesn't even know what a computer or electricity is...or air conditioning, or cell phones.....

    Were only under a threat of terror now...but other countries has to live with it everyday of there lives.... some places has 2-3 car bombings a day, and other places the people live in fear from their rulers.

    I can go on and on...... on what we have....and the list could be 3-20 pages long..but I hate to type...so I'll quit there.

    Don't like it, move. don't want to move..then change it. can't change it...then your a low, and pathetic person for complaining about it if your not going to do something about it. And look at what you have, and compare it to what others have...if that doen't make you humble...then I wish you were born as one of the lesser fortunate people on this earth. And yes...I do bitch and complain alot...but if it's something that I can do, then I'll try to do it, and make it better. Most of my bithing is problems with me...and not the outside world, and you guessed it, with my ranting here, I look back at my posts and I use it as a reminder of what I had, and where I'm at today, and guess what....I've changed a lot since I've been bitching here. There are things that are out of my control, but I know that I'm in a possition to either go with the flow, accept it, or let it skip my mind. But IF I can change the way things are...90% of the time...I do change it.

    I'm glad we have Bush, and I'm glad I wasn't born in an era or place to where we had Hitler or rulers of that like. Things could be worse, reveiw history to see what it was like years ago, or in different places in the present. And before you complain...regress and see where you really are.



    /This post is not directed at B...but to everyone. I normally don't make political statements or threads of this type and this is just a coverall post to all the prior, present, or future threads we may have here. It's a post to try to open some eyes, and to be shed some light on how good we have compared to other people that suffer or strive to get to where we are. It pisses me off that we can forget so easily the strife we've had to overcome to get to this point in life...and everyone expects that they are safe, when in reality...we're not. WE didn't get to this level of life with out sacrifices...and our troops are the only ones anymore willing to make those sacrifices. Presidents and the other clergymen will be rotated out, but the memory of the dead soldiers should still be held in our hearts. Their sacrifices should not be forgotten. I see it that if you really want to complain...then become a soldier, and help with the change that you want. Even if you have to make your own army....like our forefathers did. And for what it's worth...yes, I was in the Air Force, and I did my job to make some change for someone in some part of the world, and if what I did made a change for that someone, and it was for the cause to make their lives better, then I'm happy. But my job that I did was to make the jets that our pilots flew into battle as safe as I could make them, and still to this day, I'm a civilian, and I made other aircraft that our servicemen use for our country in the name of peace.... (except now I went commercial a few months ago :p , but I still did as much as I could to the military side for flight safety of our troops)
     
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    And there is a huge difference of recording a call and just listening in. REcording is illegal, but listening in is OK. They are just looking at records of callers for patterns from certain groups to which a certain amount of calls was made, as in time and date to calls placed to other certain groups. They do not have the ability to listen to every call made in America, or the capability to record each call....if they did...do you know how many CDR's that would need to use and how many CDR drives they would need, and how many computers they would need to run that many CDR's......to record all the phone convo's....and then when they had a normal call from a husband to wife on what groceries would be needed tonight for tonights dinner, and that disk would be full, and then prolly sent to the porn industry to be re-written over with porn...just the de-frag cost's alone to re-write billions of calls a day would make that plan worthless....unless the porn industry gets the cheaper used CDR's at a cut rate price. [​IMG]

    :ph34r:
     
  11. Capt. Orygun

    Capt. Orygun Win the Day

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    Thank you Airjockie, you said that better then most
     
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    George777 ^^ Likes Bewbies

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    Clayton's fingers are raw to the bone after typing that whole thing...Sad part is, I actually read it all... :ph34r:

    I concur with Silverchild...well put.
     
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    ahem..... My opinions are as follows


    ME---> [​IMG] [​IMG] <------ W.
     
  14. VTECin5th

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    Yeah, i'll plus one.

    It was well put airjockey. On the same note, you can't compare other country's apples to our oranges.
    If someone was trying to kill you or your neighbor, what would you do?
    You'd call the police.

    What do these people from other countries who've never seen TVs/computers/AC do?
    They throw a spear, dance around naked and eat dinner.

    A lot of other countries wouldn't want our 'every day life' they like their life, just like we wouldn't want their lives. As for epidemics and plagues, no one wants those, but it does happen.

    But if you think that this 'new system' wasn't in place 4.5 years ago, and you think this would've prevented the whole WTC/war thing, that's very naive.
     
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    jamesA Well known pissed off telephone guy VIP

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    Anyone read about the new tax cut bill that just passed in the house?

    Gotta love the rich getting more tax breaks.
     
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    All Bush's fault. Everybit of it.

    Clowns.
     
  17. Capt. Orygun

    Capt. Orygun Win the Day

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    Meanwhile analysts claim the deficit to be down by as much as $70 billion this year. Why won't you guys give up? You paint one half of the picture 100% of the time. Never mind the Dow is about to break a record, never mind America hasn't been attacked in almost 5 years, never mind unemployment is under 5%.

    I would just like to give a big +1 to everyone, and I mean everyone, who has posted in this thread.

    We have identified that President Bush is taking necessary and (judging by the lack of attacks in the last 5 years) effective steps in Homeland security. Those who support his actions state that they aren't worried about their own privacy being effected (VTEC and I), they see the actions being undertaken as logical for what they're trying to prevent (Jockie and I), and they reflect on just how well off we actually are here in America(Jockie). Even after war has been declared on us by the third world, even after 6 years of (gasp) Bush control.

    On the other hand, those who oppose it seem to be looking for: something to blame Bush for or need a good conspiracy theory (Sol, recked, & 2000), would rather call names then address this issue or speak to it's facts (AFIpunk), or simply want to kill the president (smokey)

    I think this spells out the division in the populous pretty damn well :)

    wait a sec VTEC, why did you say you wanted to kill Bush? That's just ig'nant
     
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    :)
    mmhmmm I would love to... but i didn't say it to piss him or you off, whereas you did say stuff directed to B to get em goin' :)


    Ohh yea.. and it's not that i support or oppose the tracking calls, it doesn't matter to me because i'm sure it's nothing NEW.
    Just because it hits the news, doesn't mean it's a new concept...just one overlooked by 95% of Americans. If they wanted to catch osama they could, if they can zoom in my license plate in the middle of a dark field and read the numbers using infrared light, I'm pretty sure they could find a 90 year old in the middle of the desert.
     
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    Capt. Orygun Win the Day

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    umm no,

    I have a healthy level of discontent with his political views. And unlike many on this site when I disagree with him I point it out just as loudly as when I point out my disagreement with Havok, Recked, or anyone else for that matter. In short B doesn't get any "Pissedoffpreferentialtreatment"

    quit playing Jerry Springer
     
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    at first i was like, wtf.. thats invading my rights, this cant be legal blah blah blah... but then i realized shortly after... why the fuck would the government really want with my phone conversations or aim conversations?? honestly... Come on.
     
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