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I don't see why your pissed off or scared of this...if that system was in affect 4.5 years ago..then 3000+ Americans in the WTC would still be alive, and the 2000+ GI's over in the other countries wouldn't be dead.
Speculation, at best.
There have been proven phone calls made from the air planes to the FAA or the towers... and they still couldn't do a damn thing about it.
You'd have better luck winning the lottery than to have been spied on by big brother.
Perhaps, but the fact remains that it is an invasion of privacy. I'm pretty sure we have laws for that....
These post's on Bashing Bush, would also be the same posts if the other guy was in office...we elected him
maybe you did, but i sure didin't.
So far, how has his presidency really effected you?
Let's see.
At least 3 people i went to high school with are dead from being deployed.
Taxes went up a significant amount. Rember $1.89 packs of smokes in 98? I do. Now they are $4.20. Sure, some of it is local tax, but a lot of it is federal too.
The standard deduction went from 4200 to 5000. I didn't get a 20% raise to match, did you?
I could go on for hours, but i'm at work and don't have that time....
If the other guy was in office...it would still be the same. Complain about gas, complain about war, complain about person privacy....complain, complain, complain....Stop complaining.
Again, this is entirely speculation.
We could have been in a nuclear ww3 by now,
OR
We could have become allies with osama. you never know. and to say what it would be like is pure speculation.
..if you don't like...then do something about it.
Do what, exactly? Write my congress bitch so I can get a generic letter back from her secretary? I have power to do nothing. I'm not a soldier, I couldn't go after osama if i wanted to.
Look at me...I complain about not having enough money to buy a car, or get something nice for the wife...but I work my ass of to get it.... if I can't get it, then screw it...I didn;t need it anyway, or the wife's presents will have to wait later.
you have 5 cars and your wife has it made. lol
sure, you work your ass of to get it, but i don't see how that is "doing something about it" in the sense of bush-bashing.
Complaints don't do jack shit...ACTION does. At least Bush is sparking the action. We had a group of people try to do as much damage to us in the form of terroism...our action...was to go out and put a damn war on it and them...
Again, I ask, what is the common person, like me, to do about it?
It is impossible to get everyone to be happy and safe...if your not happy, then do something about it.
Again, I ask, what is the common person, like me, to do about it?
We are all smart, we all have our little quirks, and we all have problems. But we do have one thing in common....we are still alive. Now open your eyes...your sitting infront of a computer right now, prolly sipping on a corona like me, or sitting in a heated or air-conditioned room, with power, lights, som radio playing, your driving to work in a car, your eating till your full everyday, sometimes 3 times a day, you have clean water to drink and shower in, your cloths have that Downey fresh smell, and your cat or dog has just finishered ther bowl of grub that you gave them. Your about to call your buddy on the cell phone to see what they are doing tonight, and you might have the urge to go find some activity to make your dismal life more pleasurable. You know in your heart that your safe, you can afford decent medical attention if something happens, or if your family wants to have a little get together to grill up some steaks for the weekend. You've had the decent life of being an American. Sure...part of that is paying for taxes, working for a living, struggling to get to that point of feeling that your almost secure in your stage of life, and that your setting something in the bank for your future for you to have so when you get old, you'll have something to enjoy or kick back and live the remainder of your life with.
I don't agree with this. Sure, we have good lives right now, but the fture is looking dismal. And thats the number 1 reason why i don't want to have kids. I don't want my sons and/or daughters to have to live in a world of shit because we older folks) let it get to that point.
Well.......Snap out of it bucko....we got it made compaired to the other 75% of the worlds human inhabitants. Think about it.....
Because we worked hard to get there.
If somalia would stop danicng around a fire in their skibbies, maybe they too could invent something of use to the word.
That's their culture. That's what they want to do.
But to say we're better tan them because of it, is simply not true.
Other countries have no real food, they have epidemics....people are starving in some countries....is that Bushes Fault?
not at all. that's their countries goverments fault.
there is more than enough food being produced to feed the entire world.
and the hell with other countries, there are people starving HERE. there are people homeless HERE.
Were only under a threat of terror now...but other countries has to live with it everyday of there lives.... some places has 2-3 car bombings a day, and other places the people live in fear from their rulers.
I can go on and on...... on what we have....and the list could be 3-20 pages long..but I hate to type...so I'll quit there.
and you don't see us heading there? Sure, other places have it bad.... but the more we piss off the world, we are going to become another bomb dumpster.
and the only thing that is going to save us is our technology.
good thing we're not dancing around a fire....................
Don't like it, move. don't want to move..then change it. can't change it...then your a low, and pathetic person for complaining about it if your not going to do something about it.
Again, I ask, what is the common person, like me, to do about it?
And look at what you have, and compare it to what others have...if that doen't make you humble...then I wish you were born as one of the lesser fortunate people on this earth.
I'm greatful for everything that I have.... but like you, I worked my ass off for everything I own. I'm not paris hilton getting spoon fed by daddy.
I'm glad we have Bush, and I'm glad I wasn't born in an era or place to where we had Hitler or rulers of that like. Things could be worse, reveiw history to see what it was like years ago, or in different places in the present. And before you complain...regress and see where you really are.
At the onslaught of the war, hitler had no desire to attack the US. sure, it came up as we entered the war, but in 1938, it was Warsaw, not new york.
Why were we bombed by the japs? because we put an embargo on them.
Why was there a cuban missle crisis? same freakin reason.
see a line here? it's WHAT WE DO THAT EFFECTS WHAT OTHERS DO TO US.
/This post is not directed at B...but to everyone.
and my comments are in general back at the floor, not at clayton.
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And there is a huge difference of recording a call and just listening in. REcording is illegal, but listening in is OK.
not true.
hence the term "monitored"
They are just looking at records of callers for patterns from certain groups to which a certain amount of calls was made, as in time and date to calls placed to other certain groups.
stereotying? no....... they couldn't be..... not our gov't....
They do not have the ability to listen to every call made in America, or the capability to record each call....if they did...do you know how many CDR's that would need to use and how many CDR drives they would need, and how many computers they would need to run that many CDR's......to record all the phone convo's....and then when they had a normal call from a husband to wife on what groceries would be needed tonight for tonights dinner, and that disk would be full, and then prolly sent to the porn industry to be re-written over with porn...just the de-frag cost's alone to re-write billions of calls a day would make that plan worthless....unless the porn industry gets the cheaper used CDR's at a cut rate price.
No one uses CD's any more.
An average 5 min phone call an be stored in about the same size as a 640x480 jpg. ~ 60kb. Probably even smaller with goverment compression tehniques.
and look at google, caching all these images and webpages.... and they are a private company, not the goverment.
it can be done.
in a room smaller than your garage, too.
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Anyone read about the new tax cut bill that just passed in the house?
Gotta love the rich getting more tax breaks.
I didn't hear about this. more info please.
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Meanwhile analysts claim the deficit to be down by as much as $70 billion this year.
read that again.
That means that their budget is STILL ADDING to the deficit, but by 70 billion less.
They are still over spending. by a lot.
and probably a lot of it went to this phone recording thing.....
Why won't you guys give up? You paint one half of the picture 100% of the time. Never mind the Dow is about to break a record, never mind America hasn't been attacked in almost 5 years, never mind unemployment is under 5%.
Stocks are up, precious metals are up, economy is up. Yup.
Remember what happened last time?
"Roaring 20's" ring a bell?
yup. crash of 29.
wait for it, it's coming.
and probably WW3 soon after it.
history repeats itself.
We have identified that President Bush is taking necessary and (judging by the lack of attacks in the last 5 years) effective steps in Homeland security.
before 2001, when was the last time we were attacked by terrorists? i think it was 10 years or so maybe, the oklahoma blast? i could be wrong... but my point is that 5 years is nothing in the schemme of things.
its just the down time.
Had we been ATTEMPTED to be attacked again, and it was stopped due to Homeland Security means, I would give props where due.
But to my knowledge, there hasn't even been an attempt. So how can one say his plan has been the least bit effective? It can't be said either way.
Those who support his actions state that they aren't worried about their own privacy being effected (VTEC and I), they see the actions being undertaken as logical for what they're trying to prevent (Jockie and I), and they reflect on just how well off we actually are here in America(Jockie). Even after war has been declared on us by the third world, even after 6 years of (gasp) Bush control.
i could care less if they record my calls.
90% of them consisit of "coffee time y0" "werd" anyway. But the fact is that JUST LIKE THE PATRIOT ACT, Bush has broken a privacy law on his own people.
On the other hand, those who oppose it seem to be looking for: something to blame Bush for or need a good conspiracy theory (Sol, recked, & 2000),
What's the consipiracy here? I'm balming him for breaking my constitional right for free speach. among all the others hes taken with him in the past 6 years. He can take his patiot act and shove it up his incest-bred ass. I wonder what it's like having your 2nd cousin also be your mother..........
I think this spells out the division in the populous pretty damn well
Left middle right........ maybe.
wait a sec VTEC, why did you say you wanted to kill Bush? That's just ig'nant
yeah, and stupid too. As much as I hate bush, cheeny moving up, or condelesbian ricebowl can't possibly be any better.... you'd have to kill about 80 people if you kill bush. lol So, I too cannot condone such action.
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If they wanted to catch osama they could
They already did. But then through orders from bush, they assigned an Afghan regime to bring him in.
WHY?
Because bush's family is cronies with the bin ladens, and once again, its all about money.
Ya know, when's the last time you heard Al Queda in the news?? I thought they were the ones that attacked us, no?
You people who beleive in what Bush is doing need to see the bigger picture. See what's really going on. Because you're missing it.
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I have a healthy level of discontent with his political views. And unlike many on this site when I disagree with him I point it out just as loudly as when I point out my disagreement with Havok, Recked, or anyone else for that matter. In short B doesn't get any "Pissedoffpreferentialtreatment"
Nor do I want any. I enourage you all to make your own decisions. I'm wrong all the time. I'm hardly an idol.
All I ask is that everyone does their own research on what's going on, and realize that yo're being fooled.