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More power out of and LS integra?

Discussion in 'Engine Building' started by Jv101, Dec 11, 2007.

  1. Jv101

    Jv101 New Member

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    Alright, so im searching around for cars, and found a SUPER clean 4dr integra LS for a decent price. Now i want a daily driver that wont fail me. But im def. a lead foot and like the power to be there when i want. Besides turbo what can i do? Would i beable to say take a gsr head, or any b series vtech head for that matter and bolt it onto the rest of the LS engine? or is there other steps i need to take?
    Maybe down the road i would turbo it, but im not sure? or are there other cars i should look at that i dont really need to mess with (for example a V6 accord[even though they are a bit heavier!])

    At the end i would like to have it comparable to a GSR output or Type R output as far as horsepower goes

    Thanks in advance to any and all help!
     
  2. Matts96HB

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    ^What blanco said.

    Just a tip though, look into changing the transmission out. LS has extremely long gears that really aren't good for all motor appilcations. Look into a GSR or B16 tranny.
     
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    LS trannies aren't really good for all motor or turbo/nitrous. The only thing they are good for is gas mileage.
     
  4. Taco15

    Taco15 I wear stretchy pants VIP

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    i dont know man.:mellow: I 've always read that ls trannys are the best for turbo applications.

    More speed less shifting. My first gear was worthless in a roll race. The all motor car would wind up so fast it wasnt funny. I cant imagine having the turbo at full boost in first gear on a b16 tranny.

    you kinda get what i mean?

    I say get a DIY turbo and you should get a good 250whp. I really wouldnt go spending alot of money on an lsvtec on a fourdoor. Too much money when you can get more power for the same price from a cheap turbo kit.

    look up the threads that Blanco showed you and make you decision. I wouldnt do it.To me its a waste of money and time.
     
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    Eh, shorter gears = faster acceleration no matter which way you put it. Maybe not as high of top speed, but I dont wanna go 170 mph anyway. If you get the right parts for traction and practice driving, it will be faster in the end. Plus, I'm almost positive it takes longer for a turbo to spool with an LS tranny as opposed to a shorter geared tranny. Correct?
     
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    correct. But the torque would be there longer if the turbo spools early enough. NO? I dont know to much about them but if you reach peak boost at lets say 5k i would want it to stay there pulling harder. rather than having to shift cuz you ran out of gear really fast you have to avoid the red-line

    I gues it can go both ways with different setups
     
  7. honda91efhatch

    honda91efhatch 91 ef/dx project

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    with the ls long gearing would be more idel for a daily driver, cause your gonna get better fuel economy if you do alot of highway and interstate driving. To get good n/a power you could go ls/vtec, and its alot more complicated than jus trowing a vtec head on an ls block. its been covered many times on this site!!
     
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    thats why i say no to the lsvtec. Yes its a good build if its done right.You could save alot of money and use stock parts but the parts he will need to get to 170 will not make up for the weight of the car.

    You can get 170 with pr3 piston and gsr cams. Thats stock intake,decent header and tune. including stock bottom end.I would recommend studding the head and using arp rod bolts at least. Its the little thing that will make it expensive. like the pumps,belts,gaskets,dizzy,ecu,wiring harness etc.

    Why not slap a turbo kit from rev hard,greddy or just scrap your own for a reall cheap price?

    easily get 250whp for half the price. Trust me you will ALOT of meny to hava reliable 250whp all- motor setup.

    what do think about doing?



    well how about this. Get a b16 tranny for now and see how much more pep you get. i warn you though,highway usage is out of the question. 5k at 50mph is not fun. You'll be burning oil like a mutha
     
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    honda91efhatch 91 ef/dx project

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    you could always get a b18 type r trany for a reasonable price, and still have pretty good gearing!!
     
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    sorry but 1500 buck is not resonable. Hell you cant get one here in tally for less than 900 used. B16 would be the best choice. $300 used all day. If you want the gearing for highway got get a gsr tranny.

    better yet get a B16 tranny and have a shop put your ls 5th gear in it. bam perfect combo.
     
  11. honda91efhatch

    honda91efhatch 91 ef/dx project

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    there ya go.... solution 2 ur problem!!
     
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    Duh!!! Shorter gears = better acceleration no matter what application. If you start spinning then you have a traction problem. Fix your traction problem and your car would be fast as hell. By getting a longer geared tranny you are esentially sacrificing power/acceleration for traction. Let me put this scenario out there for ya.

    B16 turboed with 300whp, b16 tranny, lsd and some GOOD tires that will stick to the road vs same engine 300whp, ls long geared tranny, open diff because no ls trannys came with lsd and stock tires. Even if you wanted to compare it a little differently, same car with ls and b16 tranny and GOOD tires with lsd in the b16 tranny and traction bars.

    Who will win this race from a dig??

    Basically if you are having traction problems with your turboed car and have a b16 tranny instead of buying an ls tranny why don't you just turn down your boost. You will be just as quick.
     
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    thanks for all the responses!

    i dont need a car that will do 170mph down the road lol.. just something thats fairly quick and will get up and go if i need it to (seeing as most people in ohio suck at driving lol)

    i dont know about turbo kits though, considering i havent really looking into the main compenents that would be needed to upgrade to beable to be a reliable turbo'd daily driver. Which car/motor do you think the best would be for turbo/buliding?
     
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    Any... B16, B17, B18c, B18B, B20, D16Z, D16Y, H22, H23.... Pick a car you like the looks of then work with it.

    How much you want to spend?

    Actually do some research and figure out what you want to do on your own. If you have questions along the way ask them.
     
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    The pull at 5k would depend solely on the turbo you are using and the tune. Say I was running a t25. It might peter out around 5-6k making it seem like the car isnt pulling as hard. But with a larger t3/t4, it will continue to hold boost all the way to the shift provided that the turbo is in good shape. So much depends on the setup.

    Shorter gears typically mean faster acceleration though. If you spin the tires work on traction.

    Im workin on a built and boosted LS. Shooting for about 300whp and I can guarantee you that I will have traction problems until I learn how to drive it correctly and get some traction parts.

    EDIT: ^ thats with a b16 tranny w/LSD..
     
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    Are you sure you don't mean a GSR tranny? A Type R tranny is going to cost a crapload and have the same gearing as a B16 transmission.

    Even better (in my opinion), would be a B16/Type R transmission with a GSR 4th and LS 5th, that way you get a nice short 1st through 3rd followed by an intermediate but still usable 4th and then ending with a nice long highway gear.
     
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    i see. You guys seem to know more on this than i do so i'll take your word for it.

    all that for him to reject the turbo idea:D

    I say get a b16. simple and common swap with enough spunk.
     
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    gsr tranney is wat i ment!!
     
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    Ok, I have an ls b18b engine in my civic but want to turbo it. What do I need to do to my engine to hold 250 with no problems? I have the money and skill to do the work myself.
     
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    How about the greddy kit to start off with an intercooler?
     
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