cycloneb18c3
Senior Member
id actually wait. honda guaranteed and promised up and down, theyd have a type r here by 2007. dont know which one, but I was sort of hoping civic, because weve never had a usdm ctr. only itr. either would be nice.
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Originally posted by pissedoffsol@Mar 30 2004, 12:28 AM
nissan: 350z
suby: wrx/sti
mitsu: evo8
toyota: IS300
honda: ???
mazda: rx8
Originally posted by pissedoffsol@Mar 29 2004, 09:28 PM
think about it. almost EVERY major car manufactuer has come out with a bitchin 30-40k sports car in the past couple years.
nissan: 350z
suby: wrx/sti
mitsu: evo8
toyota: IS300
honda: ???
mazda: rx8
think about it. almost EVERY major car manufactuer has come out with a bitchin 30-40k sports car in the past couple years.
nissan: 350z
suby: wrx/sti
mitsu: evo8
toyota: IS300
honda: ???
mazda: rx8
honda's been wasted by every other company. just look at the specs. all wheel drive or RWD exclusivly... no FWD shit.
Originally posted by Celerity+Mar 29 2004, 11:04 PM-->pissedoffsol@Mar 30 2004, 12:28 AM
nissan: 350z
suby: wrx/sti
mitsu: evo8
toyota: IS300
honda: ???
mazda: rx8
Why can't the S2000 be in that list ? Or the NSX ?
I also object heavily to the WRX and EVO and IS300 entries. Shit, even the RX8 on a primal level.
The WRX, EVO and IS300 are nothing but family poseur cars on crack. Wicked bouts of engineering genius - don't get me wrong - But they aren't sports cars.
The RX8 is just an insult to an old-time Rotor-head like myself. The RX heritage is destroyed with a 4 seater as Jeep heritage is destroyed by their 2WD, non-offroad intended models. 4 Seats aren't the problem - But it just makes me uncomfortable. The half-doors kinda make up for it in coolness factor though.
This weekend proved to me just how dangerous turbocharged 4 door sedans and wagons can be. A slight mistake on a sanctioned and safety-oriented course was shattered when someone just slipped their foot off the brake while stopping a heavily turboed station wagon.
Family cars and people-haulers mean that you, your friends, your family and loved ones put their very lives in the hands of a (99.99999% of the time) unprofessional and unskilled driver piloting a car that goes way too fast for it's design. A sports car carries passengers, but it only carries one. It's a more personal experience. It's for this reason that I never speed with a passenger.
Could you handle injuring a friend due to a slip up? A death? How about 4 deaths?
Millions of dollars of research went into a $30k car, and the airbags didn't even go off. (I'll go on my anti-airbag rant some other night)
The 350Z is the only car that has maintained it's heritage in design and purpose, of that list. The S2000 won't make your eye's pop out, but it's a great start for Honda. Honda has also made it's own heritage in producing not the fastest cars, but the cars that score the lowest environmental impact and highest gasoline ratings in the world. And the S2000, while being a pretty ballsy production car, still holds to that credo.
Now before I wrap up, I realise I have stated something that has gone hypocritical to my nature. I love Supras, always have. The older the better in my book but besides that point, They are always 4 seaters. My favorite cars of the past are 4 seaters. From the Alpine Renault A110, the Porsche 928, the Firebird.. The list goes on. These cars were made as "performance cars" with an emphasis placed on their forward mobility - But all the mean while designed with intelligent people in mind. Those that realise their place in the world and who recognise the fine art of motoring with friends.
My kind of automotive culture is one based on the freedoms and liberties enjoyed by responsible and considerate people. And the very thought of an SUV that can go 140 mph (Porsche Cayenne) or a turbo-charged wagon that can propel itself so fast that a common driver can't even think before an accident has occured makes me sick. The most guilty I have ranged is in owning the ASC/McLaren TGPs I've owned in the past. But by realising the true potential of the car, it's ability to throw me into a dangerous situation so much faster than a more "pedestrian" car, and my own responsibility to those in the car has sobered me to how I drive, who I am and whom I affect.
I wish I wasn't so alone in my sentiments.
-> Steve