you know, i thought the same thing about the vtec until i actually saw it. I forgot the vid i saw and what not, but i'll ask my friend if he remembers. And it all depends on the turbo you have. Also, I know a couple people who launch at ~8k and shift at 11500, but they are running a full race setup and have either drag radials or slicks. Call it bullshit if you want, but its truth. I'm sure there's a vid out there that has someone doing the same thing.