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Originally posted by reckedracing@Nov 9 2004, 10:50 AM
Yes Saddam has always been a bad man and he should have been removed from power a long while ago. We failed at an assisination attempt on him during the Gulf War. its always been my point that he should have been taken out of power.
What does it matter which president takes him out of power as long as he's taken out of power?
And go listen to Michael Moore some more about "bush and his team of unethical money hungry businessmen".
The world is driven by money, if it wasn't we'd still be a barter and trade society. If you haven't figured that out, you're a moron. So get the fuck over it or continue to live in your la-la land.
i've already stated i have not seen 9/11, can you read???
and lets see bush get public approval for a war based upon "SADDAM BEING A BAD MAN"
it would never happen, bullshit
he scared the public making them think saddam had links to bin laden and that saddam had the capability to use nukes or other WMD's against us...
and no shit the world is driven by money
but let me ask you, DID YOU GET A NO BID CONTRACT TO REBUILD IRAQ???
did you? are you profitting from this war?
we are not the people getting the spoils of this war where our young comrades are dying...
seriously dude, you talk a lot of smack and say i live in a la-la-land, but you are the one thinking we went to war for a just cause, and you are the one thinking bush and his friends aren;t making money hand over fist while the GENERAL american public gets fucked in the ass
this war was an oil grab, as proved by the oil ministry being protected before the iraqi people that we were suspossed to be fighting to liberate...
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Originally posted by Kcihcaton@Nov 9 2004, 01:05 PM
Knowing where you stand is one thing, forcing others to stand there with you is another.
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Originally posted by New2TheCarScene+Nov 9 2004, 11:01 AM-->Battle Pope@Nov 9 2004, 12:08 PM
Can't you people see past your noses?
It's not about the draft, or the war, or even the economy anymore... This has turned into the Christian Conservative rise-to-power. I am frightened.
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Its always been that way, thats how this country was formed. You shouldn't be anymore frightened than with any other president in office. They can't do everything themselves.
I'm not saying this because I'm religious, because infact I'm non practicing but just feel its nice to have a president with some morals that will take a standpoint rather than some lying bumbling asshole.
Bush may not be the best but hey atleast he'll tell you where he stands and tell you to your face. Other presidents so much shit has occured behind the scene that the general public will never find out about. I just think its ironic that people talk about Bush's hidden agenda when he's a simple person and isn't the type of guy that would take the time or intelligence to lie to you...he'd just tell you what he felt flat out, like he does with the media time and time again.
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Originally posted by New2TheCarScene+Nov 9 2004, 10:12 AM-->Kcihcaton@Nov 9 2004, 01:05 PM
Knowing where you stand is one thing, forcing others to stand there with you is another.
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He hasn't forced anyone to stand anywhere. Nobody has. We all know our rights.
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Originally posted by Kcihcaton+Nov 9 2004, 01:17 PM-->Originally posted by New2TheCarScene@Nov 9 2004, 10:12 AM
Kcihcaton@Nov 9 2004, 01:05 PM
Knowing where you stand is one thing, forcing others to stand there with you is another.
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He hasn't forced anyone to stand anywhere. Nobody has. We all know our rights.
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So when my homosexual friend goes to get married to the one he loves, he'll have no problems anywhere in the US.
Family Guy won't have any harsh censorships when it comes back to Fox, because everyone knows that its not their responsibility to make sure children are well raised.
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Originally posted by Battle Pope@Nov 9 2004, 01:28 PM
This is true. Most media is controlled by liberals. I don't give a crap about the media anyway - it has no bearing on my opinions.
I think we seriously need a non-partisan president in '08.
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Originally posted by New2TheCarScene+Nov 9 2004, 11:33 AM-->Battle Pope@Nov 9 2004, 01:28 PM
This is true. Most media is controlled by liberals. I don't give a crap about the media anyway - it has no bearing on my opinions.
I think we seriously need a non-partisan president in '08.
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We've always needed one. Funding and the general public unfortunately won't allow for this. If its not going to be a non-partisan president, I would love to see a moderate republican and a moderate democrat on the '08 ticket to win.
As far as this election its just my feeling that we can't have a president without a backbone like Kerry, not that I like Bush.
Not to be controversial but I also believe that no matter how much people say the media doesnt affect them or have a bearing on their opinions, I'm from the psychologist state of mind that your experiences shape you and shape who you are. Even if I dont want to listen to say political bs spewed on TV it still makes you think and feel differently than if you hadn't heard it in the first place, unfortunately.
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Right. From a psychologist's point of view, media has an effect on everyone. No matter who you are, you are swayed by the media at some point, in some way. As much as it's going to sounds conceited and whatnot, I can honestly say that I have become so hardened that very very little sways my beliefs and opinions anymore. I have had too much shit happen to me to be that weak-minded. I have strong opinions and beliefs, but it takes a rational and logical approach to get me to consider a change. This is why the media can go shit on a rock - they are certainly not logical or rational.
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Originally posted by New2TheCarScene@Nov 9 2004, 02:01 PM
Bush may not be the best but hey atleast he'll tell you where he stands and tell you to your face. Other presidents so much shit has occured behind the scene that the general public will never find out about. I just think its ironic that people talk about Bush's hidden agenda when he's a simple person and isn't the type of guy that would take the time or intelligence to lie to you...he'd just tell you what he felt flat out, like he does with the media time and time again.
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Originally posted by New2TheCarScene@Nov 9 2004, 12:33 PM
Not to be controversial but I also believe that no matter how much people say the media doesnt affect them or have a bearing on their opinions, I'm from the psychologist state of mind that your experiences shape you and shape who you are.
Originally posted by DarkHand+Nov 9 2004, 02:30 PM-->New2TheCarScene@Nov 9 2004, 12:33 PM
Not to be controversial but I also believe that no matter how much people say the media doesnt affect them or have a bearing on their opinions, I'm from the psychologist state of mind that your experiences shape you and shape who you are.
But in today's society (at least in this country), big media IS the majority of childrens' early life experiences. Most kids watch far more TV than they spend with their parents.
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Originally posted by asmallsol+Nov 9 2004, 02:19 PM-->New2TheCarScene@Nov 9 2004, 02:01 PM
Bush may not be the best but hey atleast he'll tell you where he stands and tell you to your face. Other presidents so much shit has occured behind the scene that the general public will never find out about. I just think its ironic that people talk about Bush's hidden agenda when he's a simple person and isn't the type of guy that would take the time or intelligence to lie to you...he'd just tell you what he felt flat out, like he does with the media time and time again.
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wow you really need to take your blinders off. Look at both sides of the table and take your TV off fox news.
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Originally posted by New2TheCarScene+Nov 9 2004, 01:37 PM-->DarkHand@Nov 9 2004, 02:30 PM
But in today's society (at least in this country), big media IS the majority of childrens' early life experiences. Most kids watch far more TV than they spend with their parents.
And thats exactly why psychologists can make the arguments that they do. Of course if you let the TV raise your child than thats going to shape them greatly.
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