honduhhomie
Junior Member
nice guys just need to learn a thing or two about self esteem IMO.
nice guys finish last.....
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I jsut wore a t-shirt that said "I have a 9 inch cock" to a casino, and BAM, I found Heather. 
LOL, nah, just playin.
She left an aquaintance of mine for me... but a month before she officially left him... It left a sour taste in my mouth that remains today, 2 years later, but I'm learning to live with doubt. Slowly.
LOL, nah, just playin.
She left an aquaintance of mine for me... but a month before she officially left him... It left a sour taste in my mouth that remains today, 2 years later, but I'm learning to live with doubt. Slowly.
damn- my only regret after reading all this, is that i'm at work, and i couldn't have a beer.
best ide4 ev4r!!
mine would say:
-always says the wrong thing
-over-reacts
-generally missunderstood
-owns the most dramatic auto site on the net
she was probably thinking, "hehehe, that guy has a good sense of humor hehehehe"
as for the other stuff going on in here...
sadly, i have to agree. with the exception of sunday, i haven't had a cig since 10/24. they really do smell like shit, and on sunday, when i had a few- it made me sick, and tasted like shit. 3 weeks off of it, and its amazing.
steve, it's true man. take it from me. i was a smoker for 5+ years less than a month ago. during that time, i did not date, hookup with, or kiss, etc 1 girl who smoked. none. every girl i've ever been with has NOT been a smoker. and they all hated the fact that i did it, but i didn't give a shit. i was young and stupid.
christ- i STARTED smoking over a fucking girl in the first place.
and now, i have one that helped me stop. and it means so damn much to me.
its the way it is.
whether you outright slap a $50 in the chicks hand for some head,
or wine, dine, and movie a chick (probably totallying more than $50) the woman has still cost you money for sex.
deductive reasoning can take care of the rest....
you will. i would say i'm like you. i'd go in that 1% easily. i am always alone. i work alone, i dont see anyone all day, and frankly when i have time to do stuff, i spend a lot of it driving aimlessly listening to music.. and even though i enjoy it, and like being alone, there is a part of me thats lonely, and unfilled. you might not feel it now, but you will.
funny, my "girl" said the exact same thing when we first started talking about a relationship.
whats even funnier is horoscopes....
my best friend growing up- sagitarius
my best firend now- gemini
current girl- gemini
previous g/f- scorpio
go figure.
i hate reading.
i hate chocolate
i rarely watch tv
i dont do much for sports either....
go figure.
what's so bad about working in an office? or trading stocks? they are both honest livings. morals rule a character and his actions- not his job title.
proof that money and cool cars can't buy happiness
ain't that the truth?
naw, no need to lock... nothing's out hand hand..................................... yet.
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best ide4 ev4r!!
mine would say:
-always says the wrong thing
-over-reacts
-generally missunderstood
-owns the most dramatic auto site on the net
she was probably thinking, "hehehe, that guy has a good sense of humor hehehehe"
as for the other stuff going on in here...
sadly, i have to agree. with the exception of sunday, i haven't had a cig since 10/24. they really do smell like shit, and on sunday, when i had a few- it made me sick, and tasted like shit. 3 weeks off of it, and its amazing.
steve, it's true man. take it from me. i was a smoker for 5+ years less than a month ago. during that time, i did not date, hookup with, or kiss, etc 1 girl who smoked. none. every girl i've ever been with has NOT been a smoker. and they all hated the fact that i did it, but i didn't give a shit. i was young and stupid.
christ- i STARTED smoking over a fucking girl in the first place.
and now, i have one that helped me stop. and it means so damn much to me.
its the way it is.
whether you outright slap a $50 in the chicks hand for some head,
or wine, dine, and movie a chick (probably totallying more than $50) the woman has still cost you money for sex.
deductive reasoning can take care of the rest....
you will. i would say i'm like you. i'd go in that 1% easily. i am always alone. i work alone, i dont see anyone all day, and frankly when i have time to do stuff, i spend a lot of it driving aimlessly listening to music.. and even though i enjoy it, and like being alone, there is a part of me thats lonely, and unfilled. you might not feel it now, but you will.
funny, my "girl" said the exact same thing when we first started talking about a relationship.
whats even funnier is horoscopes....
my best friend growing up- sagitarius
my best firend now- gemini
current girl- gemini
previous g/f- scorpio
go figure.
i hate reading.
i hate chocolate
i rarely watch tv
i dont do much for sports either....
go figure.
what's so bad about working in an office? or trading stocks? they are both honest livings. morals rule a character and his actions- not his job title.
proof that money and cool cars can't buy happiness
ain't that the truth?
naw, no need to lock... nothing's out hand hand..................................... yet.
sportlinecrx
Banned
i know what you mean. loneliness sucks.
Celerity
Well-Known Member
You say that it's not a personal attack, And then you let the personal attack begin. (There is no need for the "I know you simply HAVE to be right" comment). No one is right when it comes to relationships, and this argument is only set to start the wheels turning in our heads. There are few "Right" answers in the relationship game. Like you said earlier, it's a matter of personality, upbringing, etc that make us who we are. And we are all unique.
We are all damaged goods. I'm only vocal about it because I lack the pride to keep it in. Yeah, I'm jaded. I won't be that jaded when I find someone else, But for now I'm the most bitter person you'll ever meet. Getting your heart stomped on 6-ways-to-sunday will do that. Going back to my "Women need time off" statement, If you go back into a relationship before the bitterness sets in, You've learned nothing. This is why women are so much more hollow than men (In my experience) (Before you take that personally, Remember that I have discounted you as a RARE instance where this is not the case) <carriage return>
Without the bitterness, I too would have moved on and dated the SAME kind of loser that Sue turned out to be. If I was in the slightest bit "comfortable" with the situation, then no lesson would be learned. If there was a switch I could throw to turn the bitterness off, I wouldn't. Our pain and travesty is what makes us ... Who we are.
Hiding your pain won't help you. At least by knowing it's there, and keeping it close to heart can you at LEAST identify.
A few closing points, Then I'll rant later tonight.
Smoking: I have no problem with smokers. I dont mind the smell, the taste nor the act. It's actually vapid conversation, loose morals, and liberal tendencies that disgust me. And children. We've covered why women (or people in general) prefer others that don't smoke - Now how about my little pet peeves?
Buying Women: Women want a man with a future. Men want a women with a future. Duh. That's what they SAY. But what they DO is date nothing but people WITHOUT futures. That's the point of this argument. "Why do women always end up with the asshole, and not the nice guy"
Being Jaded: I really don't mind when people are jilted over past loves. To think that other people mind the same in me (IE "jilted man" scares off "perfectly stable, no honest" woman) turns my stomach. I should hide my past to attract someone? No. This means that the relationship has ALREADY started off on the bad foot, I'm hiding my personality until later ("Why has my boyfriend CHANGED?!") and she's lied to me about being hurt ("No, it's ok.. it never bothered me")
R.E.M.'s song "Everybody hurts" is such a poetic justice to the human condition. Everyone hurts | Sometimes | Everybody cries
-> Steve
Page Two, Not sure if I'm owning it, You're owning me, or it's owning us all.
94RedSiGal
Senior Member
Well I was thinking more about the aspects of a long term relationship. As some here keep complaining about how to keep a gf. I know some girls into more casual flings, but as we all get older the dating scene becomes less appealing.[/quote]
you will. i would say i'm like you. i'd go in that 1% easily. i am always alone. i work alone, i dont see anyone all day, and frankly when i have time to do stuff, i spend a lot of it driving aimlessly listening to music.. and even though i enjoy it, and like being alone, there is a part of me thats lonely, and unfilled. you might not feel it now, but you will.[/quote]
Well holidays like New Years Eve can suck because of that stupid tradition of kissing a special someone at midnight. But I am most relieved NOT to be a part of Valentine's Day. I hate that fake holiday. Hallmark, jewelry stores and restaurants love it, of course.
Maybe it's because she instinctive felt the need to put the brakes on you. From Celerity's responses, any 100% single cool girl is a rare fine and the opportuntiy for dating her is within a small window of time. If she's a decent and nice person, she wanted an easy out if she started to feel that she didn't want to date you. When the pickup starts with a guy, you all are on 100% full throttle in the beginning. I've heard this before from other women. You offer a drink, she accepts. It's a chance to get to know each other. But then after a drink or two, she feels that you're not right for her. Then it's a battle to disengage herself, whereas the guy is still thinking all systems go.
What turns a girl off? One way is being too desperate and just trying to be too agreeable. She and everyone can sense this. She knows that she isn't getting the "real" you. That makes her uncomfortable. Then there is your being yourself, which is good and gets respect as a person from her. But again, remember females are all sensitive, so then you guys have to understand that after a conversation of a half an hour, she doesn't feel positive chemistry and wants to move on. Think of how you guys pick your best friends. You meet someone and just hit it off in a comfortable natural way. You have common interests or background. You make each other laugh. Some girls you will just hit it off with, others there will be always nothing. Don't take it personally. Just move on and keep meeting people.
Advice: Just go out and meet all kinds of people. Female, male, old and young. I was really shy as a kid, in part due to my mom. She's a strong personality and very critical of everyone. After college, working at restaurants and notels really helped me out. Also, if you are in your late teens and early twenties, focus less on the special gf and just try to have more good female friends. Go out in groups. If you work on the art of friendship with girls, you will indeed be happier in the long run. I read about a study saying that teens who were sexually active were more likely to try suicide. Well, do what you want, but I think that I can see what that is. Just because all of your body parts function, doesn't mean that emotionally, everyone is ready for a full blown relationship. We all cherish good companionship. Humans are social creatures. I've have three good bf's, but the endings were hard. When you don't love someone anymore, the sex at the end is very empty. I remember that, and that is why I can accept my temporary status, which is of my own choosing...
Mmmm... some of that is my whole general phobia of marriage and kids I guess. Especially the part about the kids. Traditional guys are decent, but I never ever wanted the perfect house in suburbia surrounded by rugrats. Most guys like that want to breed.
I suspect that Reeves is quite happy. The divorce rate in the US is at 50%. His second marriage is working. Maybe he just got married too early? Perhaps money just doesn't buy a perfect life. Give me money and I would be estastic. Please someone just give me a chance to prove it!!
Dammit!! I can't get my quote tags to work.
94RedSiGal
Senior Member
But your own prior words were
And that is what I was referring to as you turning this into something personal. I have no problems discussing Pat. And I have no regrets about last year. I really truly don't. I gave it my best shot and it got wierd. It's just one of the great mysteries of life I guess. In addition, your other comments are in direct reference to YOUR personal situation. So you are not generalizing in your observations. No big deal to me, just my observation.
And about being right, well it's the way you deliver your responses. It's just your conversational style I guess.
You are very bitter inside. And I am NOT! You keep saying in here and by IM that there is something wrong with my life. WRONG! It's all about your anger and bitterness. And I do take great exception with you labelling us ALL damaged goods. Geez... as time goes on, we all just accumulate life experiences. We can take control by how we approach things. Going by your feelings, finding someone young who has never dated before (and therefore unblemished) would be be more desirable a mate than someone who's had several gf's? Well I suppose he would be much better company than you, but actually I think that I would chose a guy that I see has learned from his past... taken it in stride and has a good sense of humour about it. Attitude is so important here. And that is something I do have control over. Creating a positive mindset is important. Maybe it's an asian thing, picked up from watching the Karate Kid and the tv series Kung Fu. lol.
HAHAHAHA!! Of course you have no problems with smokers... you are one! Doh.
Well if you continue to smoke, you just need to accept the consequences of your actions and just date other smokers. *shrug*Last thing Steve... we are both bright (your IQ is much higher than mine) and opinionated people. However, I feel that I score better in the listening and sensitivity department. I say that I like a particular car, and you feel the need to say how much you hate it. What is the point of that kind of response? To start an argument? We all have different tastes and I can accept it. In fact I embrace the differences. In fact, everyone liking the same thing would be quite boring. I think that in general, I soften my phrases and allow for others to have differing views without censure. I think that you need to chill out in a big way. Again, another visualization. I envision myself as a slender laurel tree that is strong yet bends in the wind. Why be the mighty oak tree that is finally uprooted in a hurricane? I just move on and go with the flow. The way you hold discussions is why I would never go on a road trip with you. You also talk too much about this relationship stuff in a negative and provocative way. You may need to talk to a professional about this. All I know is that I don't want to talk to you about it any more. It's pointless and very tiresome. I am not some free therapist for you.
I am a very happy person. I think that my car has lasted so long being good in part due to all the love that I feel for her. I am full of positive thoughts all day long.
Peace to you all. B)
???94RedSiGal
Senior Member
No way in hell... <_<
I think that I am done talking to Steve about this stuff. I have said all I need to say to him. It's been way too many months of this. He is a lousy listener. I am done. He can rant to someone else instead. Life is too short to waste my time over listening to his shit. His opinion doesn't and will never change my modus operandi. End of story.
Smonkeyboy
Senior Member
i would buy all of those except the dramatic auto site
and ESPECIALLY the always says the wrong thing
Originally posted by Airjockie@Nov 13 2003, 11:06 AM
I don't think anyone here is old enought to understand that little <carriage return> comment,.....hehe...damn kids nowadays with them automatic typing machings called a computer...hehe
i got it....just chose to ignore it. IBM SELECTRIC 0WNZ J00
Vtec=V8 killa
Member
i dont believe you guyz spent some much time and effort on this topic, BITCHES AINT NOTHIN BUT HO'S AND TRICKS, dont let em get to your head boyz
94RedSiGal
Senior Member
FUCK YOU MAN!! I've been hit on several times by guys with wives and gf's... so this sort of shadiness extends to BOTH sexes. Statistically, men cheat several time more than women. So STFU about that sort of nonsense! As one of the few females left on this board, I felt the need to say something about this type of misinformation.
</rant>
It's still okay mods. Vtec=V8 killa used all caps, so I did too. Peace.
Celerity
Well-Known Member
I get your point, I'm sorry for insulting you.
And I'm going to continue on my path to philosophical hell. Here goes.
So what am I here ? You hate me ? You agree with me ? Has a counterpoint been drawn to my statements about women and nice guys?
What did I miss today ?
-> Steve
P.S. I fail to see where I've gone wrong here.
And I'm going to continue on my path to philosophical hell. Here goes.
So what am I here ? You hate me ? You agree with me ? Has a counterpoint been drawn to my statements about women and nice guys?
What did I miss today ?
-> Steve
P.S. I fail to see where I've gone wrong here.
Smonkeyboy
Senior Member
My .02
i wholly agree that nice guys finish last, Green Day had it right. I consider myself to be one of the nicer people i haev met(dont ask how i met myself). I am so nice to people most of the time that i never even enter the females mind as anything more than a friend. Part of this is my uncanny ability to protect myself. i dont ever take the first step. call me a pussy, i just cant stand rejection, in any form, ever. Maybe this is the 9+ years of martial arts that protecting myself has become second nature, or maybe i really am just a pussy.
Most of my dude friends have girlfriends and they are either rich or assholes. I am neither rich nor an asshole and i probablly never will be. Consequently i never got the girl, and i mean never. im almost 19 and have had 1 g/f in my entire life, and that was soph year of H.S. I pride myself on my honesty, which i find is becoming a more rare and rare trait these days, but i dont lie to girls. i cant lie to girls. maybe its that whole "dont odolize the girl" thing that keeps them away, but remember in early high school when you would do whatever your gf asked? why does that ever have to change, why after a year in a relationship is it somehow OK to be an asss to your girl?? i was raised right and know that your girl is like a piece of crystal, very beautiful and very delicate, and you should always treat them in a gentelman like manner.
for instance, 2 of my best friends have been dating for 3 years. the guy is an asshole(seriously, ask him if he is an asshole he will let youknow) and he doesnt do shit. he never opens the door of the car/building/house, thats not how you treat a lady. i dont care if its been 3 weeks or 3 years or 30 years, they should always be treated with respect. and i jsut dont see how a guy like him can be with a girl like that. and my bitch ass is always single.
:endsrant:
i wholly agree that nice guys finish last, Green Day had it right. I consider myself to be one of the nicer people i haev met(dont ask how i met myself). I am so nice to people most of the time that i never even enter the females mind as anything more than a friend. Part of this is my uncanny ability to protect myself. i dont ever take the first step. call me a pussy, i just cant stand rejection, in any form, ever. Maybe this is the 9+ years of martial arts that protecting myself has become second nature, or maybe i really am just a pussy.
Most of my dude friends have girlfriends and they are either rich or assholes. I am neither rich nor an asshole and i probablly never will be. Consequently i never got the girl, and i mean never. im almost 19 and have had 1 g/f in my entire life, and that was soph year of H.S. I pride myself on my honesty, which i find is becoming a more rare and rare trait these days, but i dont lie to girls. i cant lie to girls. maybe its that whole "dont odolize the girl" thing that keeps them away, but remember in early high school when you would do whatever your gf asked? why does that ever have to change, why after a year in a relationship is it somehow OK to be an asss to your girl?? i was raised right and know that your girl is like a piece of crystal, very beautiful and very delicate, and you should always treat them in a gentelman like manner.
for instance, 2 of my best friends have been dating for 3 years. the guy is an asshole(seriously, ask him if he is an asshole he will let youknow) and he doesnt do shit. he never opens the door of the car/building/house, thats not how you treat a lady. i dont care if its been 3 weeks or 3 years or 30 years, they should always be treated with respect. and i jsut dont see how a guy like him can be with a girl like that. and my bitch ass is always single.
:endsrant:
94RedSiGal
Senior Member
Don't ever change. You've only 18 and a late bloomer. I suspect that you were so decent that the girls in high school viewed you as a brother. What do you look like? Since you mention having 9+ years of martial arts under your belt, it reminded me of the Karate Kid movies. Ralph Macchio looks like a baby in those pictures to me. The upside is that you didn't have a gf that thought you so special and decent that she would get pregnant to try to trap you into marriage. I think that soon your luck will change with the girls. And from what you've said about yourself, you really only want a quality gf. Don't compromise your standards, you really don't want to live a soap opera. My first real bf was in college junior year. I waited for many reasons, one of which was to get away from my parents' and sisters' watchful eyes. I am also glad that I waited. even in college, I met many more people and did more things without a bf to answer to. By that, I mean I had several groups of friends and could decide what I wanted to do with them without consulting a bf first if my plans would upset his. Consequently, I am the independent full person that I am today, and with no regrets.
Use this time of your life to really enjoy your martial arts and car interests. Find some more hobbies. Make lots of friends and continue to be a decent person. Later on with a gf and then the wife and kids, you will miss your freedom. This is the time of your life where you can indulge yourself.
Celerity
Well-Known Member
Smonkeyboy: You're undatable, aren't you? It sucks, but if what you say is true, you're 10 times the human that these others are. If you begin to act the ass and get a girl, then what you've got is a hollow relationship with a girl that you don't really respect based on (right off the bat) a lie. Yeah, You'll get your whistle wet, but you find love and all the other things that come along with it.
It feels good.
But remember that love and life today is completely different than what you may know it to be. If change your personality to gain a woman, Then change your personality back to the way it is, She won't stick around because you're "Not the person I met". The result is NOT that she will dump you. Quite the contrary, She will keep you around until she has a "Golden Parachute". The GP concept is that she won't even acknowledge a problem until another man has come around. She will cheat on you and leave you.
I know there is no rule out there that states this, But in my experience (And many others) This is what women do. Only when a woman has the kind of confidence and smarts to live byherself - Do they not do this.
And women by and large do NOT have that kind of confidence. They simply tolerate your ass until someone better comes along. Then it's up-out. Leaving you alone, and they get to slip into another relationship seemlessly and without heart ache.
It's the lack of heartache that makes women who they are. Like I said a few pages back, If they had the BALLS to simply leave and be single then the pain would be minimal. But they prefer to take the cowards way out. And we all know that Cowards aren't worth our time.
99% of the world are cowards.
-> Steve
It feels good.
But remember that love and life today is completely different than what you may know it to be. If change your personality to gain a woman, Then change your personality back to the way it is, She won't stick around because you're "Not the person I met". The result is NOT that she will dump you. Quite the contrary, She will keep you around until she has a "Golden Parachute". The GP concept is that she won't even acknowledge a problem until another man has come around. She will cheat on you and leave you.
I know there is no rule out there that states this, But in my experience (And many others) This is what women do. Only when a woman has the kind of confidence and smarts to live byherself - Do they not do this.
And women by and large do NOT have that kind of confidence. They simply tolerate your ass until someone better comes along. Then it's up-out. Leaving you alone, and they get to slip into another relationship seemlessly and without heart ache.
It's the lack of heartache that makes women who they are. Like I said a few pages back, If they had the BALLS to simply leave and be single then the pain would be minimal. But they prefer to take the cowards way out. And we all know that Cowards aren't worth our time.
99% of the world are cowards.
-> Steve
Smonkeyboy
Senior Member
Originally posted by 94RedSiGal+Nov 14 2003, 09:39 AM-->
thats me as of 2 min ago
Celerity
Smonkeyboy: You're undatable, aren't you? It sucks, but if what you say is true, you're 10 times the human that these others are.
i feel like i am better than most dudes as far a personality goes, but it just hasnt worked out so far. All the girls say that i am nicer than almost everyone they have met, i would assume the only people nicer they no than me are the ones they like???
