Thoughts on Anwr?

[Celerity]

The warmth of the current Alaskan Pipeline has increased the number of wildlife around it.

It's warm.

 

[BrutalB83]

The warmth of the current Alaskan Pipeline has increased the number of wildlife around it.

It's warm.

Well there ya go...one more reason to go ahead and drill that sum' bitch...

 

[Briansol]

so then explain to me the recumbent bike they used to make that had a TV built into them, you peddle, tv comes on

i'm no electrical engineer.

I'm sure it's possible to set up some sort of multiplier (gearing?) to effectively spin the generator faster, thus making more per spin

 

[3roe3]

What would drilling Anwar accomplish? The well will dry up fast and we'll be right back at 4 bucks a gallon. It wouldn't make much of a dent anyways in the price of gas. America Uses roughly 8 Billion barrles of crude a year, Anwar would only produce 500mil barrels a year, and average. This wold lower the price of crude what, a buck a buck and a half? With crude prices cruising at 135 bucks a barrel, what difference will it make? Not to mention it won't be ten years before the drilling produces oil that we can use and won't reach its peak oil production until 2027. By then some cleaner alternative will be on the forefront of powering homes and cars alike, one would hope! It's a lost cause and it's not worth contemplating. Instead of spending money to drilling they should reallocate those funds into raising the percentage of electricity being made by wind power. Wind is completely renewable!

 

[Briansol]

and also unreliable...

 

[3roe3]

There are places here that are just as windy as Denmark, and look at them. Though they maybe be assholes, 20% of their electricity is produced by wind power.

 

[Celerity]

What would drilling Anwar accomplish? The well will dry up fast and we'll be right back at 4 bucks a gallon. It wouldn't make much of a dent anyways in the price of gas. America Uses roughly 8 Billion barrles of crude a year, Anwar would only produce 500mil barrels a year, and average. This wold lower the price of crude what, a buck a buck and a half? With crude prices cruising at 135 bucks a barrel, what difference will it make? Not to mention it won't be ten years before the drilling produces oil that we can use and won't reach its peak oil production until 2027. By then some cleaner alternative will be on the forefront of powering homes and cars alike, one would hope! It's a lost cause and it's not worth contemplating. Instead of spending money to drilling they should reallocate those funds into raising the percentage of electricity being made by wind power. Wind is completely renewable!

The energy needs of the country can not be solved by any single method of generation. What's important here is not that people get to work - That can be overcome. It's Trucking. To convert trucking would be a 50 year process, at least. Also, at the heart of that argument is, "We're sick of buying our fuel from our enemies" We have to kiss Saudi ass and turn the other way when they crash jets into buildings. And that's retarded. But a fuel crisis even on par with the 70s embargo would bring us to our knees.

 

[Briansol]

i agree with you that its an option, but i don't think its a feasable replacement. 'the day the wind stopped' will be all over the news... but no one will be able to watch it because no one has power.

nuclear is the only thing that's going to save us now. something hi-tech that can produce gobs of power.

at that point, we can convert our homes to run electric heat instead of oil/propane/etc since electricity will be cheap.

 

[Celerity]

So ... you're not into the wind generation of electricity because.....



... You think one day wind will stop.



I see.

 

[3roe3]

Not saying that it's going to replace other forms of energy, just making a point that drilling in Anwar is just plain stupid!

 

[Briansol]

So ... you're not into the wind generation of electricity because..... You think one day wind will stop.

not so much stop... but there are days where its completely calm, and others where its windy as hell.

the sun comes up everyday (until the zombies come)
the rivers probably won't dry up, and flow constantly
wind comes and goes

its the least reliable of the 3

 

[nootrac22]

Not saying that it's going to replace other forms of energy, just making a point that drilling in Anwar is just plain stupid!

Oh so you don't use petroleum?

 

[Celerity]

not so much stop... but there are days where its completely calm, and others where its windy as hell.

the sun comes up everyday (until the zombies come)
the rivers probably won't dry up, and flow constantly
wind comes and goes

its the least reliable of the 3

It's least reliable, but when it works it produces a LOT. Water is a toughy, because harnessing it is a logistical nightmare. You think drilling anwr is bad ? Dam up the Colorado.

 

[Celerity]

not so much stop... but there are days where its completely calm, and others where its windy as hell.

Also, again - cultural change. You may need to tivo your favorite shows because you're by lamplight that night.

What did we do, oh what DID WE DOO before electricity ? Oh yeah, we got along and improved our community.

And the whole slave thing, but I don't think we'll do that again (Unlike the Indians (Of India))

 

[reckedracing]

Ford Nucleon

The Ford Nucleon was a nuclear-powered concept car developed by Ford Motor Company in 1958. No operational models were built. The design did not include an internal-combustion engine, rather, a vehicle was to be powered by a small nuclear reactor in the rear of the vehicle. The vehicle featured a power capsule suspended between twin booms at the rear. The capsule, which would contain radioactive core for motive power, was designed to be easily interchangeable, according to performance needs and the distances to be traveled.
The passenger compartment of the Nucleon featured a one-piece, pillar-less windshield and compound rear window, and was topped by a cantilever roof. There were air intakes at the leading edge of the roof and at the base of its supports. An extreme cab-forward style provided more protection to the driver and passengers from the reactor in the rear. Some pictures show the car with tailfins sweeping up from the rear fenders.
The drive train would be integral to the power module, and electronic torque converters would take the place of the drive-train used at the time. It was said that cars like the Nucleon would be able to travel 8000 km (5,000 miles) or more, depending on the size of the core, without recharging. Instead, at the end of the core's life they would be taken to a charging station, which research designers envisioned as largely replacing gas stations. The car was never built and never went into production, but it remains an icon of the Atomic Age of the 1950s.
The mock-up of the car can be viewed at the Henry Ford Museum in Dearborn, Michigan.
According to Bob Gale, producer of the film Back to the Future, the Nucleon's rear nuclear reactor was one of the design inspirations for the De Lorean time machine.

 

[Celerity]

Ford Nucleon

....An extreme cab-forward style provided more protection to the driver and passengers from the reactor in the rear....

Unless the wheelbase is 100 miles, it's not protecting anyone from shit.

 

[Briansol]

yeah... i'm ALL for nuclear power, but in a car is just ridiculous. lol

 

[Sabz5150]

yeah... i'm ALL for nuclear power, but in a car is just ridiculous. lol

I'd pimp the hell out of that thing... have CHRNBYL on the license plate.

 

[cheese9988]

I'm thinking that one source isn't going to fix anything. We keep trying to solve the oil problem. Where we should diversify. Everyone keeps mentioning a different source of energy. Why not all of them?

It would be like some retail companys do for shipping problems. They go through all the major carriers, in case say ups strikes, they have fedex or dhl. Or if dhl is to expensive, they can use fedex.

Or like an south American country that relies on just coffee and cocain for it's major export, the second a hurrican fly's over thier screwed.

I just don't think one energy source is the answer.

 

[nootrac22]