civic si killer for a fraction the price! its already got 17s, cold air, 2.5" piping, cd, tint, sr...ebay kicks ass! actually i won it for $2650, but the bitch wouldnt let it go unless i gave her $3100, but still its a bargain. its running sooooo rich is the only problem, but i should be able to get that solved when i get some free time. should i build up the b17, do lsvtec, or what? what is cheap that i can get into the 14's with besides the obvious gutting, and smaller tires? peace