93civicracer
Oh, I do a little here and there.
Some places jacked up prices over $5/gallon after Katrina. Only lasted a day or 2 I think.
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Back when the 9/11 attacks happened, the gas station by my house (I lived in Illinois at the time) went up to $7 something per gallon for a brief while. It didn't last long though. Some of the stations actually got in trouble for gouging.
Not that you would remember that though...you were probably still in grade school at the time, lol...
93civicracer
Oh, I do a little here and there.
I was in the 5th grade in math class when that happened how the fuck could I forget with these dumbass teachers running in and out of the classrooms saying "OH MY GOD they crashed into another tower!! OH MY GOD" and they were all announcing it over the loudspeaker everyone was trippin I was like damn shut the hell up that's way the fuck in new york.
But yea I don't remember the gas prices tho haha.
But yea I don't remember the gas prices tho haha.
haha, i was in the military. my thoughts were, "this is going to make life suck".
damn you're young ^_^
EGProject
YEEEEAAHHHHH
As far as oil consumption goes, the American public in general needs a kick in the ass as far as fuel economy goes. SUVs are part of the problem, but not the whole issue here. Trucks consume a lot of fuel, as do vans and heavy trucks. What we need to see over here is a resurgence of small-displacement diesel motors in mid and small size trucks and cars. Right now, the biggest buzzword for all automakers in the US is either safety, horsepower or the rather shitty fuel economy numbers they put out. The SUV craze amongst most successful married couples is another case of "keeping up with the Johnsons". Your neighbors get a Denali? Go out and buy an Escalade. What you roll up with at the local middle school to drop off your kid seems to have a direct connection to how you live.
Granted, Europe is a horrible example of fuel strategy, but very rarely do you see huge V8 powered sedans and SUVs roaming the streets. TDI's, and smaller displacement V6's and I4s make up the majority of passenger cars.
Automakers selling in the US need to stop feeding into the addiction of bigger cars, trucks and engines. Ontop of that, older cars still being driven as normal transportation are a big part of the problem. In my town alone its not uncommon to see 10+ pre 79' era 4-door V8 sedans roaming the streets. My boss at work drives a 73' Lincoln Continental with a 4-barrel 460 in it, and claims it gets a "decent" 7mpg. We need to figure out a plan - just as Japan did to try and get these cars off the road.
But the most visible part of the problem is still the "soccer mom". Why does a 29 year old housewife need a Suburban Z71 to ferry her two kids to and from school? What ever happened to station wagons?
Granted, Europe is a horrible example of fuel strategy, but very rarely do you see huge V8 powered sedans and SUVs roaming the streets. TDI's, and smaller displacement V6's and I4s make up the majority of passenger cars.
Automakers selling in the US need to stop feeding into the addiction of bigger cars, trucks and engines. Ontop of that, older cars still being driven as normal transportation are a big part of the problem. In my town alone its not uncommon to see 10+ pre 79' era 4-door V8 sedans roaming the streets. My boss at work drives a 73' Lincoln Continental with a 4-barrel 460 in it, and claims it gets a "decent" 7mpg. We need to figure out a plan - just as Japan did to try and get these cars off the road.
But the most visible part of the problem is still the "soccer mom". Why does a 29 year old housewife need a Suburban Z71 to ferry her two kids to and from school? What ever happened to station wagons?
90_EF_Hatch
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baha i can relate to 93civicracer bout the 9/11 attacks ... i was in 6th grade lol ... and i dint give a shit either back then ...
but back to the fuel issue ....
power doesnt mean shitty MPG ... look atthe turbo diesle VW i think or maybe volvo??? one of those two some one else knows im sure but anyways ... its getting 45+ mpg ...
just thought id throw that in
but back to the fuel issue ....
power doesnt mean shitty MPG ... look atthe turbo diesle VW i think or maybe volvo??? one of those two some one else knows im sure but anyways ... its getting 45+ mpg ...
just thought id throw that in
Sort of
Unlike corn derived ethanol which can only use the starchy grain to create alcohol, cellulosic ethanol would use the entire plant. Cellulosic ethanol yields 10 times more than grain based ethanol.
so yes a switchgrass based E85 would be cellulosic ethanol.
But switchgrass can be a biofuel on it's own without blending with petroleum
The WSJ and NYT just ran articles about the downfalls of biofuel and how although they burn ~25%, they may actually be worse for the environment due to the fact that we are now clearing more plots of land, essentially leaving less foliage to pull carbon from the air.
Rightfully so... but the point to make here is that the soccer mom doesn't NEED a vehicle of that size.
Most guys with trucks/vans work construction/plumbing/etc and need a vehicle like a pickup or van to perform their job. Its hard to fit 20 sheets of plywood in a civic.
I'm guilty though, I use my pickup in the winter to commute... and i'm honeslty considering buying a 3rd vehicle... some kinda 4-banger to commute in.
It's kinda sad when your 'high performance sports car' is also the best thing on gas that you own....
Diesel may be better mpg, but its dirty. real dirty. There's no emission standards for it because none of them can pass it.
more deisel vehicles = more polution = global warming = dead crops = ice age = oil doesn't fucking matter cuz the world is gone.
egxaderated, of course
we all need smart cars
they became "uncool" about the same time "baby on board" signs started disappearing.
if i ever have a family, the family vehicle will be something like an s4 avant
the new rounds of diesels coming out are said to be very very cleanDiesel may be better mpg, but its dirty. real dirty. There's no emission standards for it because none of them can pass it.
more deisel vehicles = more polution = global warming = dead crops = ice age = oil doesn't fucking matter cuz the world is gone.
egxaderated, of course
they might even be able to pass CA emissions
just heard about them on the radio covering some auto show
pretty much everyone is coming out with a diesel motor in the next couple years
That's the difference. Work vehicles are necessary. Soccer mom in a Tahoe is not.
And before anyone jumps on me, if you're one of the douches who buys an F350 as a daily driver, I hate you just as much as I hate the soccer mom in the Tahoe. Driving a vehicle like that daily is completely unnecessary, and also makes the roads less safe for those of us who would rather drive a smaller, more economical vehicle.
we all need smart cars
I honestly wouldn't mind driving a Smart Car, but, as mentioned above, I'd be afraid of getting creamed by soccer-mom-in-Tahoe, or small-penis-douche-in-F350, lol...
90_EF_Hatch
Señor Member
In the future lol
I just downloaded this week's episode of Top Gear. They were showcasing a Daihatsu but they rapped on it for it's bad milage ratings:
40mpg, no hybrid.
A turbo diesel Nissan in the same segment got 55mpg, again not hybrid.
Here, we've got a goal to reach 35mpg by freaking 2015. WTF?!
40mpg, no hybrid.
A turbo diesel Nissan in the same segment got 55mpg, again not hybrid.
Here, we've got a goal to reach 35mpg by freaking 2015. WTF?!
