CTR b16b for my EG

[Dark93DX]

yea the ctr would win that is if there in the car that they come from and there are sevral vids proving this. and the b18c5 is a usdm motor not jdm

Thanks thats good to know. BTW what is the engine code for the JDM ITR?


sounds like the B16b is a lil beast right out of the box

 

[vtecsir1]

engine code for a jdm itr is b18c

 

[ThatGuy4life]

The car is really sole mode of transport so it still has to be reliable, but I still want some that is fun to drive (like the RSX type S I used to have). i know people think VTEC is overrated, but I still love it.

I'm not really into drag racing so 1/4 mile times aren't really all that important to me. 200 whp will be more then enough then I'll prob ever need, but it would be great to have. I'm thinking any mods would just be bolt-ons, tuning and at most maybe aftermarket cams.

most people claim the b16's are torqueless (even more then the d16) compared to the b18C1, but as you said the B16b's transmission is geared better then either.

Looking at the engine specs between the B16's and the B18C1 I dont see much of a difference.

BTW has anybody on Hondaswap done a B16b swap into an EG?

I"ve done the B16B swap in the first 2000 civic si I had, I'm now in a different 2000 si and just did a itr swap a few months ago. I can't really compare the 2 cause when I swapped the ctr motor in I boosted it at the same time so I never got to drive it stock and now my itr swap is my all motor project. But if I was you, i'd just get the b16b and be done with it, no mixing and matching. Unless you have the money for the itr swap then go that route.

Boost is calling my name but I'm trying hard to stay away, 1 cause this is my 1st all motor project and 2 there's no one out here that want's to touch my motor to tune it with boost and the compression that it's at.

 

[Dark93DX]

I"ve done the B16B swap in the first 2000 civic si I had, I'm now in a different 2000 si and just did a itr swap a few months ago. I can't really compare the 2 cause when I swapped the ctr motor in I boosted it at the same time so I never got to drive it stock and now my itr swap is my all motor project. But if I was you, i'd just get the b16b and be done with it, no mixing and matching. Unless you have the money for the itr swap then go that route.

Boost is calling my name but I'm trying hard to stay away, 1 cause this is my 1st all motor project and 2 there's no one out here that want's to touch my motor to tune it with boost and the compression that it's at.

you boosted a B16b! damn that must've been one fast civic .


I've never boosted a car before, but I have rebuilt engines before so I'm staying all motor on this one.

Can i still use the B16b ECU even though its OBD2?

 

[ThatGuy4life]

If you're going with the ctr swap, yeah you can use B16B ecu, that is if you're not planning on doing any tuning and just staying completely stock,

 

[Dark93DX]

If you're going with the ctr swap, yeah you can use B16B ecu, that is if you're not planning on doing any tuning and just staying completely stock,

If I put up the cash for a Type R swap then i will stay OEM stock. I'm not going to mess around with a Type R engine, I figure its done well enough from the factory.

I dont mind wiring, (I was a elec technican) but it would be great if it was relatively plug and play.


BTW...love the sig

 

[ThatGuy4life]

There shouldn't be any wiring to do as long as you get the obd2 motor and then just get a wiring harness from the si and it's all plug and play, then later if u decide u want to mod and tune just get a conversion harness and convert to an obd1 ecu, no splicing involved. I can do a lot of shit myself but most times I get too lazy so with each swap I did I made sure I researched to see what would be easiest i.e axles fitting, mounts, and wiring.

On and thanks

 

[Dark93DX]

Having driven ITRs and ITR swaps...100% would suggest if you have the money for it, do it. ITRs are fun to drive, ITR swapped EGs are sick, twisted little beasts

Have you ever driven a CTR swapped EG? I think it would be quite similar, however, if so then did you notice any differences.



Before starting this thread I had always assumed that the 1.8L's would always beat the 1.6L's

 

[vtecsir1]

If you're going with the ctr swap, yeah you can use B16B ecu, that is if you're not planning on doing any tuning and just staying completely stock,

how do you plug in a obd2 ecu into a obd 1 harness? dont even say you would buy a obd 1 to 2 conversion harness. dont spread bullshit if you dont know what you are talking about.

a ctr motor in an civic will not beat an itr motor in the same civic. torque owns joo.

Before starting this thread I had always assumed that the 1.8L's would always beat the 1.6L's

for the most part this is a correct statement.

 

[Seany-izzle]

just going to be your daily driver?? b18c1... done.

 

[Dark93DX]

just going to be your daily driver?? b18c1... done.

Is the B16b too aggressive for a daily driver or what?

The B16b and the B18C1 seem so closely matched in performance and pretty close in price.

 

[ThatGuy4life]

how do you plug in a obd2 ecu into a obd 1 harness? dont even say you would buy a obd 1 to 2 conversion harness. dont spread bullshit if you dont know what you are talking about.

a ctr motor in an civic will not beat an itr motor in the same civic. torque owns joo.



for the most part this is a correct statement.

Who said anything about plugging an odb2 ecu into and obd1 harness?

 

[xj0hnx]

just going to be your daily driver?? b18c1... done.

Pretty much. CTR is a big waste of money...IMO. You can get as much, if not more motor for the money. ITR or slightly built GSR will put down better numbers for the same or less. Remember 1.8 > 1.6 Hp is easy to free up, torque is not.

 

[Dark93DX]

Pretty much. CTR is a big waste of money...IMO. You can get as much, if not more motor for the money. ITR or slightly built GSR will put down better numbers for the same or less. Remember 1.8 > 1.6 Hp is easy to free up, torque is not.

K, thanks...thats why in my original posting i said i was originally looking at the B18b, but I was tempted to get the B16b b/c it came down a little in price.


As far as the 1.8L's:

B18b 140HP
B18C1 180 HP
B18C 190 HP
(I know these are just peak numbers, but its just for a quick ref)

But they all seem to have relatively the same TQ output, just the VTEC ones make it at higher RPM's. So really is the only big difference between these three engines is that they all breath differently at higher RPM's and they have different stock CR's?

For example would a B18b with B16a pistons (11:1 CR), PnP and crower 403's with a Type R transmission perform pretty close to the B18C1 or ITR engine? and better then a B16b....but for a lot less money?

 

[ThatGuy4life]

Pretty much. CTR is a big waste of money...IMO. You can get as much, if not more motor for the money. ITR or slightly built GSR will put down better numbers for the same or less. Remember 1.8 > 1.6 Hp is easy to free up, torque is not.

How do you figure an itr swap would go for the same price or less that the b16b

K, thanks...thats why in my original posting i said i was originally looking at the B18b, but I was tempted to get the B16b b/c it came down a little in price.


As far as the 1.8L's:

B18b 140HP
B18C1 180 HP
B18C 190 HP
(I know these are just peak numbers, but its just for a quick ref)

But they all seem to have relatively the same TQ output, just the VTEC ones make it at higher RPM's. So really is the only big difference between these three engines is that they all breath differently at higher RPM's and they have different stock CR's?

For example would a B18b with B16a pistons (11:1 CR), PnP and crower 403's with a Type R transmission perform pretty close to the B18C1 or ITR engine? and better then a B16b....but for a lot less money?

Probably more closer to the C1 the the type r, corrected numbers as follows:
B18B 142
B18C1 170
B18C 210

 

[Dark93DX]

How do you figure an itr swap would go for the same price or less that the b16b



Probably more closer to the C1 the the type r, corrected numbers as follows:
B18B 142
B18C1 170
B18C 210

oops, my mistake, ya wans't quite sure on the ITR numbers, I guess I was thinking more of the USDM ITR. Isn't the JDM GSR 180HP and the USDM 170HP?

 

[ThatGuy4life]

USDM itr, 195, JDM GSR 185 also it depends on the years, cause the hp rating varied a little

 

[trappd-in-859]

Another swap you should consider is the H22. Great hp and tq, responds well to bolt-on's, and will hit 13's easily right out of the box.

You would have to upgrade the suspension to compensate for the slight weight gain, but it is well worth it IMO.

 

[Dark93DX]

Another swap you should consider is the H22. Great hp and tq, responds well to bolt-on's, and will hit 13's easily right out of the box.

You would have to upgrade the suspension to compensate for the slight weight gain, but it is well worth it IMO.

I had considered it, but I'd have to get Hasport mounts etc and the swap would be more difficult and in the end it would cost more then the B18C1...doesn't the H22 lean the wrong way in the engine bay? (I'm not knocking the H22's power potential though)

I thought the H22 was 85lbs heavier then the B-series engines. I think the EG's are better off with the B-series since they are set up for them already, so I wanna stay with the B engines.

 

[trappd-in-859]

Yes, the engine does lean foward slightly in the bay. That is why high speed handling will suffer, but it's not really an issue for daily driving.

The h22 engine and trans together weigh about 40lbs more than a b series engine and trans.

Sure, the h22 will cost more to swap than a b18c1, but you will have a faster platform to start out with. If you plan on staying N/A, the best options have to be K or H series.