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rape and torture rooms... rape and torture rooms.... seems so farmilliar. AHA! http://www.thememoryhole.org/war/iraqis_tortured/
Your ideas of the media having a liberal bias are pure ignorant crap. The only bias corperate media has is monetary bias. They put on whatever will get them ratings. The notion of journalistic integrity is long gone with the advent of corperate journalism. Want to watch real unbiased news? try the Lehrer news hour on public TV.
and do you really think that people being raped is cause to send the American military personel to die in a war? It may sound cold, but where is the threat to our nation in that? Honestly that is part of the problem nowadays, the military is being used not as a means of defence for our nation, but as a political and business tool to either bolster a politicians favor or make way for more income with businesses.
In addition to that http://www.thememoryhole.org/ should have the beheading footage, but due to it being inundated with Dl's its been a bit slow.
Wrong is wrong no matter what the context.
complicity
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i want to see it but i'm skurred. :unsure: I think i'll hold off on that.
Frankie P.
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I didn't say that it was right to go to war because of the Rape rooms, I was just saying that for me it is a rightful cause to humanity. Everyone else seems to be talking about human rights, yet it is not our problem if people all over the world are being murdered, tortured, starved, raped etc. Yet if we do something like that we are downright fucking bastards, yet if they do it we can condone it because of their beliefs? Give me a fucking Break. And they didn't put the videos up to get ratings, I am sure that was part of it, but they did it more to make Bush look like shit. I understand that you disagree why we are in the war in the first place, maybe it was wrong, I don't think so. Saddam was hiding something, we decided to go investigate, with force, to put it lightly. We found nothing, but a country in need of help, now we are trying to help these poor people and now people want us to leave. Well it became our problem when American Civilians are being murdered unwarranted, how can you say anything goes in war? What would happen if we took all their children and used foreign objects in them? Yet, we continue to bring help to these people we know how deprieved we are. You can argue the war all you want, but do not have us kill every person in the country, Saddam has made them ignorant, they don't know any better. It is our job to inform them.
what makes you think that you are any better than any of them? Isnt it possible that just as you think they are brainwashed, you could be too? Who is to say that you are any less ignorant than they are? you are being ethnocentric. Aside from that torturing and killing anyone is wrong. period. no excuse for it at all. But ill ask you, If america was invaded (for no reason) to the degree that they have been (essentially reversing the situation) do you think things would be at all different?
In case you have not noticed, the media has not been kind at all to kerry either. goto http://www.johnkerryisadouchebagbutimvotingforhimanyway.com and you will see some examples of what i am talking about. Again News stations make money from advertisers, advertisers pay more if news stations have more viewers, henceforth all of their coverage is aimed at increasing viewership which increases profits from advertisers.
You can argue about the WMD thing all you want, but until evidence is found you are wrong.
Here are some good links pertaining to this
American contractor misconduct: http://www.corpwatch.org/issues/PID.jsp?articleid=10828
Details about prisoner deaths: http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/world/i...nersdeaths.html
NotUrAverage_Si
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Originally posted by complicity+May 12 2004, 11:08 AM-->
i want to see it but i'm skurred. :unsure: I think i'll hold off on that.
I've seen someone who was decapitated in person, I've even seen a video on kazaa of another man where the scene starts off with a foot holding some guys head to the ground and next thing you know a knife is jabbed into the guys throat as he is screaming and they continue to slit his throat. I just don't need to see another one of those videos.
complicity
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People think we're "downright fucking bastards" because we sit here preaching of human rights to everyone and then pull some shit like this. I know that what those US soldiers did was not representing the beliefs of the whole country, but sometimes it seems like human rights doesn't apply to people of different ethnicities.
The way we slaughter our meat and treat our animals in shelters...how we treated prisoners in WWII, etc etc...how we (meaning civilians in this case) treated Muslims after 9/11...Come on. We beat up and beat down everything that's not us; everything that's considered "them".
We are a violent country, I'm not sure if we are as violent as others, but we are just the same.
Yes, wrong is wrong, but there are different levels, and this is definitely the top of the list.
Dehumanization of some "detainees" (interesting how in light of recent events they went from criminals, to prisoners, to detainees) is in NO WAY, SHAPE, OR FORM comparible to what they did, it CAN NOT be justified, or swayed to support any belief that it could.
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/world/i...nersdeaths.html
if thats how you work this should calm you down again
Frankie P.
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Our country was invaded it was called 9/11, remember that? As for the media not liking Kerry, give me a good news station that talks shit about Kerry. Not that stupid link, give me something more influential like CNN. They have shows and the lke up there that are conservative, but for the most part the media is liberal. Wouldn't you think if we were brainwashed we would have the same opinion, and not debating right now, c'mon now. Also when did I state that I was better than any Iraqi or Muslim, I am better than the fucking bastards that did that awful act to that poor man.
How exactyly did we treat prisoners in WWII nothing like Hitler, don't give me that crap, he was just as bad as Hussein. I don't see us as being a violent country, how did we treat Muslims after 9/11 some did do violent and vulgar things, but most did not. Once again a few bad people give everyone a bad name.
And the point of that was? An article accounting that the prisoners killed or assualted were participating in attacks, escapes, riots, and an accidently death or two aside (which both resulted in the discharge and or jailing of the offenders), where's the argument, thanks for proving my point
complicity
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I never mentioned anything of Hitler so I don't even know why you're using him as an example. But, since you brought him up, I'll show you that even we were like him at some point in time.
In 1912, Japanese Americans owned about 12,000 acres of land in CA. BY 1913, California passed a law that prohibited Japanese-Americans from doing so. By 1920, the California Alien Land law prohibited leasing land to 'aliens ineligible to citizenship." By 1922, in Ozawa v. U.S., the Supreme Court reaffirmed that Asian immigrants were not eligible for naturalization. And by 1925, the California Alien Land Law took effect in Washington, Arizona, Oregon, Idaho Nebraska, Texas, Kansas, Louisiana, Montana, New Mexico, Minnesota, and Missouri. During World War II, Utah, Wyoming, and Arkansas also joined.
In 1933, Hitler persuaded President Hindenburg to sign an "emergency" decree authorizing Hitler to suspend civil rights, arrest, imprison and execute suspicious persons (communists, socialists, and labor union leaders), and outlaw non-Nazi press. Also that same year, Hitler obtained the right to revoke German citizenship for persons considered a threat or undesirable to the government...Jews, Gypsies, the like.
In 1941, the FBI "detained" 1,370 Japanese Americans classified as dangerous enemy aliens. The Agriculture Committee of the L.A. Chamber of Commerce said that all Japanese nationals be put under "absolute Federal control"... much like how Hitler was watching the Jews. In 1942, Japanese American selective service registrants classified as enemy aliens.
Many Japanese American soldiers discharged or assigned to menial labor such as "kitchen police." Leland Ford, L.A. Congressman, created a memo explaining that all Japanese-Americans were to be deported from the west coast...sort of like how Hitler wanted the Jews out of Germany. The California State Personnel Board voted to bar all 'descendants of natives with whom the United States is at war' (Japan, Italy, Germany) from all civil service positions. This was only enforced against Japanese Americans.
Now do you want to say that we weren't like Hitler?
dohcvtec_accord
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Yes.
We may have had one policy that was similar to Hitler's, but we didn't invade countries for the sole purpose of imperialism. We didn't decimate 7 million people because of their religious beliefs.
Generalizations such as the one you just made can be extremely dangerous.
Frankie P.
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I have to give you credit, you know your shit. But did we put anybody in ovens or gas chambers? Did we just search random houses and kill any Japanese that were hiding? Also, I mentioned Hitler in the first place becaue you mentioned WWII, he was a big part of it, don't you think. Look I know you have your opinion, but to me saying that the U.S. is just as bad as Nazi Germany or Iraq is irrational. We are in no way even slightly related to those bastards. We are the best Nation in the world, if you have a problem with our violent behavior move to France or Canada.
complicity
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Now come on, it's common knowledge that we haven't committed genocide, I know we're not in the same LEAGUE as HItler, that wasn't what I was trying to convey
Neither am I saying that one event makes us TOTALLY like Hitler. BUt we did have something in common, thats all i was getting at.
I didnt mean to threadjack, sorry
Frankie P.
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Well you made it seem like we are just as bad as Hitler, all of this was still for protection, maybe we should have done the same thing to Middle Eastern people and 9/11 wouldn't have happend. I am not serious about that, but you get my drift. Speaking of WWII why is it that nobody cared when we went to war against the Japanese, because they bombed us right? Well we went to war with the people that attaked us, the best way we could, we all know it is almost impossible to fight terrorists, so we went after the country that most likely funded them, sounds like the right move to me. All that happend is Clinton pussified the U.S. and now we have a leader with balls and everyone is scared.
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